Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Layah Jane


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE - no sources found at this time, therefore we cannot keep the article because we cannot demonstrate notability. No prejudice against recreation if sources are located - please advise on my Talk page and I will review them then undelete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Layah Jane

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BLP, with a modest but noticeable advertorial tinge to it, of a musician who has potentially valid notability claims per WP:NMUSIC but isn't reliably sourcing them. She has apparently had some festival bookings beyond just locally, she's released multiple albums (albeit on a label whose importance for the purposes of NMUSIC #5 is uncertain at best), and she's placed songs in TV shows -- so an article would be includable if it were referenced properly, but this as written is referenced entirely to primary sources except for a single article in her local newspaper which verifies none of those things, but rather exists only in a context that passes no NMUSIC criteria. And on a Google News search, literally the only new source I can find is a glancing namecheck of her existence in an article about a venue she played in 2011. As always, Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which a musician is entitled to an article just because she exists, but nothing here is enough. Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I am the author of the page and I am not related to he artist in any way commercially or looking for publicity. In a platform that includes every single fictional pokemon character, what would suffice to include a Canadian Artist with six records? How can we clean the article so it does not look like a commercial? M cyclops (talk) 18:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Show some evidence that she actually meets an WP:NMUSIC criterion, and reference it to reliable source coverage in media. We require considerably more than just "she exists and here's her own website to prove it". Releasing six albums isn't an automatic notability freebie either — a person can release 100 albums and still not get a Wikipedia article for it, if sufficient reliable source coverage in media about them is lacking.
 * And, for the record, it's also not unreasonable that our standards for the notability of living people have to be stricter than our standards for the notability of game-related content — Layah Jane has a reputation that can be damaged if we get stuff wrong or if somebody edits the article to attack her or to invade her personal privacy by posting gossip about her private life or her address and phone number, while Pikachu does not. So the notability or non-notability of musicians is not comparable to the notability or non-notability of Pokemon — we have to be much stricter about the quality of sources used to support an article about a living person than we are about the quality of sources used to support an article about a cartoon character, because the living person can be harmed if we're not careful enough. Bearcat (talk) 18:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 06:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * "Keep' but clean it up, add more sources and tone down the PR. There appears to be enough coverage out there, it just needs to be added.   Montanabw (talk) 08:19, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * More coverage out there where, exactly? On a Google search I'm getting a single glancing namecheck of her existence in an article about a venue she played six years ago, and nothing but primary sources otherwise. If there's valid reliable source coverage about her out there, then kindly show the evidence — because I sure as hell ain't finding any. Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


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