Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LeGrand R. Curtis Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This is the same case as Articles for deletion/Kevin W. Pearson.  Sandstein  09:08, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

LeGrand R. Curtis Jr.

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Subject does not meet WP:BASIC. Searches for independent, reliable sources have only provided quotations from the subject at sermons and acting as a spokesperson (which are primary sources), minor passing mentions and name checks. The entire article is reliant upon primary sources, which are not usable to establish notability. Primary sources found in WP:BEFORE searches also do not establish notability. North America1000 12:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 11:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 12:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- General authorities in LDS are like bishops in the Catholic Church. Wikiproject religion considers bishops in the Catholic Church and analogous churches to be notable per WP:BISHOPS.  Note that LDS bishops are not automatically notable per this guideline, but LDS general authorities are not bishops, as stated. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 17:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – WP:BISHOPS is an opinion essay ; it is not a guideline or policy at all. There is no presumed notability for religious subjects on English Wikipedia whatsoever. North America1000 18:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep until North America puts his actions where his mouth is and starts niminating for deletion the hundreds of articles we have on Catholic bishops sourced only to a blog, this nomination clearly goes against established policy and should not be followed through on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:31, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – Regarding the above !vote:
 * It does not provide a valid rationale for article retention whatsoever.
 * Its thesis is utterly unclear; this article and deletion nomination is about LeGrand R. Curtis Jr., not other subjects.
 * Primary sources are just not usable to establish notability.
 * There is no presumed notability for religious subjects on English Wikipedia.
 * This nomination entirely follows established policy regarding deletion nominations on English Wikipedia, rather than the gross mis-characterization above as "clearly goes against". The user is making up their own policy, which is what's actually clearly against policy. Heck, I even perform WP:BEFORE source searching, which is recommended, but not required, and on top of that, I perform further customized searches to try to find usable sources.
 * – I sure hope this isn't closed based upon a simple !vote count. Thus far, not even one source has been presented herein to back up assertions of notability, which at this point, are all based upon personal opinion, rather than guidelines. North America1000 01:35, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Proposals to exempt LDS leaders from the WP:GNG have consistently failed to achieve consensus support (see examples in 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018), so the subject has to be evaluated under WP:GNG. Sources currently in article are not independent under WP:IIS (Liahona, Church News, lds.org, LDS Mission Network) and do not count toward establishing notability. Search does not find WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources, only the usual passing mentions in event announcements (e.g. temple openings, reunions, religious conference speeches) and brief quotes reprinted from church sources without significant analysis. Probably the best candidate for significant coverage is 150 words in a 2017 Salt Lake Tribune piece about an LDS film, but about half of those words are direct or indirect quotes from the subject. Admittedly, a dedicated editor could make sentences from these trivial mentions to beef up the article (see WP:REFBOMB), but there remains a lack of significant coverage of the subject required by WP:GNG. Open to reconsideration if significant coverage emerges. Bakazaka (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, 3 refs, 1 x 404, 2 x primary, google showing church news, youtube, local, etc. Szzuk (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.