Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LeRoy Bell


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) — Theo polisme  20:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

LeRoy Bell

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Per WP:Event, finished 8th on American idol, not every contestant on the X-factor needs an article, most of the stuff is unsourced anwyays.  Jay Jay Talk to me 03:48, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep (previosly voted delete) Didn't finish high on both American Idol and The X Factor. None of his singles have charted, and seems like his temporary importance relies on his participation in the aforementioned events rather than his personal endeavours. I may revisit this later. New source provided by Miching are well enough. — ΛΧΣ  21  16:50, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong keep He is not just a reality television competitor. We have to take into consideration his songwriting achievements including two well-known and charting Elton John songs "Mama Can't Buy You Love" and "Are You Ready for Love". The first was a Top 10 hit in Britain in mainstream chart and #1 on Adult/ Contemporary. Also take into consideration the string of hits for Teddy Pendergrass and the collaborations with Gamble and Huff. He also wrote songs for Jennifer Lopez and the Freemasons! Hardly just a competitor who came in 8th and had no charting history. As for lack of references, this can be amended by "refimprove" note rather than a request to delete the article of an obvious notable artist. werldwayd (talk) 22:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see any source on the article supporting those claims, and my search in Google returned nothing. Could you please provide such evidence? Thanks. — ΛΧΣ  21  02:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You are asking for references. There are ample of references.... For example: For Elton John's "Are You Ready for Love", see discogs credits: http://www.discogs.com/Elton-John-Are-You-Ready-For-Love/release/1732005 that says: "Written-By– Casey James, Leroy M. Bell, Thom Bell"... For a comprehensive list see  http://www.discogs.com/artist/Leroy+M.+Bell#t=Credits_All&q=&p=1 where he is credited for 63 credits including 53 writings or co-writings of songs not only for Elton John but for Engelbert Humperdinck, the Spinners, ets etc... Leroy Bell also has his own hits including "Livin’ It Up" a disco number that charted on the Billboard 100 reaching Top 40! See http://www.bet.com/news/music/2011/12/15/leroy-bell-ready-for-life-after-x-factor.html  He also wrote for Gladys Knight and the Pips. See Perez Hilton site http://perezhilton.com/2011-11-02-leroy-james-had-success-with-bell-and-james-single who also talks about his album under the name "Bell and James" with his colleague Casey James way back in 1978 There are many other references if you care to research werldwayd (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry but we need reliable sources. Discogs and Perez Hilton are catalogued as unreliable sources, and thus we cannot count them for notability. The BET article is routinary coverage of The X Factor, in which he happened to participate, and thus is uncluded. This information is not good enough to meet notability guidelines. If you find reliable sources, I will gladly change my vote. — ΛΧΣ  21  23:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Our policy of WP:Event is being quoted for deletion of this article. I am indicating to you in response, through sources albeit you may consider unreliable that this is not so at all. Regardless of what you think about Discogs, aren't these ample evidence that this individual is not such a candidate for deletion on premises that he is a "one event guy" from X Factor? Isn't this why this individual was nominated for deletion in the first place? I am disputing and adequately showing his credits. That's the whole idea. He has a big catalogue of tens of songwriting for many renowned artists who have charted even reaching Top 10, he has his own album and his own single that has charted in Billboard reaching Top 40 etc etc... He has more than one song for Elton John no less that reached the top..... You don't need to change your opinion. Stick to it. I simply have other things to do than maintain one article to perfection... My effort to redeem this article is that by putting these evidences for the benefit of other colleagues, I am showing to them some alternative picture of him and his accomplishments if they are tempted to automatically endorse your criterion about LeRoy Bell as "that one event guy from X Factor" if it goes without challenge from editors like me. (your personal quote in support of deletion: "None of his singles have charted, and seems like his temporary importance relies on his participation in the aforementioned events (by which you mean his taking part in X Factor) rather than his personal endeavours"). That's what you said and that's what I am challenging... Other names that LeRoy Bell has written and worked for: Van Morrison, Sheryl Crow, Etta James, Al Green, Erykah Badu, LeAnn Rimes See http://www.buddytv.com/info/leroy-bell-info.aspx I am telling them, please see all these extra overwhelming evidences otherwise, of this individual's huge musical legacy and then decide rather than rubber stamp him as non-notable artist as he certainly is not. If I don't do at least that, I may take part of the blame of ridding this notable artist's article after having contributed so much to it. This nomination needs more consideration so that it does not pass without challenge. BTW, such a cool personal picture on your own page. I wish I had photos like that which I obviously don't. werldwayd (talk) 23:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 23:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * ΛΧΣ, I am losing track of your objection. Are you saying that you really do not believe that Bell wrote "Mama Can't Buy You Love" and the rest or just that the page does not have valid sources for these claims? If the latter, then all you really should be asking for is refimprove. But if you really seriously doubt that he wrote any of the songs he is credited with, I find that hard to believe. But for starters, I just did a quick search for a source and found this: . If you have any doubt that he did most of the things the article says, just do a couple of searches and you should be satisfied. 142 and 99 (talk) 03:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey. I am not saying that I don't believe he didn't write the song. What I am saying is that if no reliable sources to back up the claims are to be found, then we cannot meet the notability threshold. I have to admit and after my initial quick search, I didn't even find substantial information about his X Factor endeavours, and I was not willing to search further. Of course, I can be proven wrong, and the Seattle Times source, although primarily based on the X Factor, discusses his life and I am satisfied with it. However, I stll believe we need more sources like that one. If those can be provided (and I may look for myself to see what I find), I will change my vote :) — ΛΧΣ  21  18:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep Werldwayd has pretty much explained precisely why the article should be kept. If Bell had never appeared on The X Factor, his list of credits and accomplishments would be viewed without question as easily exceeding the requirements of Notability. That his performance on that show and since then was not in itself notable does not diminish his prior significance. 142 and 99 (talk) 03:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. He seems pretty notable to me. He's been in several bands, appeared on The X Factor last year, and has wrote for several high-profile artists. Article needs some work, for sure, but I think we have enough notability here. — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 05:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable with or without his talent contest appearances: Allmusic review, Seattle Pi (top ten single in South Africa), Seattle Times, Seattle PI, News Tribune, sources for songwriting credits: . --Michig (talk) 11:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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