Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LeRoy R. Hafen


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The result was   keep. Big Dom  08:26, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

LeRoy R. Hafen

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No evidence of notability established; while he is a professor who has written multiple works, neither he nor his work have demonstrated notability Yaksar (let's chat) 20:15, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable person, supported by verifiable and reliable sources. Inwind (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Such as what, if you don't mind me asking? The only link under sources is just a page that shows that a library has a copy of his book.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Keep - I have added multiple references, including to significant references in scholarly journals. The Arizona and the West reference could almost stand alone as a justification to include an article on Hafen with the amount of praise that author gives to Hafen's work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:41, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I can find many quotes from the works of Hafen in the works as others, such as one in Margaret Coel's 1988 Book Chief Left Hand: Southern Arapaho. There are many more.  I am not sure if this will help but Yaksar's claim that Hafen's works are not notable makes me wonder if maybe I should compile a large collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnpacklambert (talk • contribs)


 * Delete - the references provided don't seem good enough to me to show that he was a notable historian/academic. He may have been fairly widely quoted, but how many reliable sources are there about him? Perhaps Johnpacklambert should post the collection he refers to above. Robofish (talk) 02:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you perform the minimal due diligence before !voting, like doing a Google search. We aren't !voting on the state of the article at any given time, but the notability of the person. That requires at least a Google search in Google News Archive or Google Books. I found four short biographies online. What due diligence did you perform before you !voted? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * here is the link to the google scholar results for Hafen.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Great Plains Journal, Vol. 18, 1979, p. 33-40 is an article that BYU's catalogue says has the subject of "LeRoy R. Hafen" with Harvey Lewis Carter as the author. The reference is easy to find, but someone will have to go to the BYU special collections to see their copy of the article or explore a library that has it.  There are 325 libraries that have at least some copies of this journal listed in Worldcat, the closest one to me is UofM.  I guess I could also request the article through inter-library loan.  Colorado Heritage: The Journal of the Colorado Historical Society in its 1985 edition had a two page article by David N. Wetzel on Hafen.  Here  is a sample of one of the lists of citations of Handcarts to Zion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * David J. Weber in "Mexico's Far Northern Frontier, 1821-1854: Historiography Askew" in Western Historical Quarterly Vol. 7, no. 3 (Jul 1976) p. 279-293 lists LeRoy and Ann Hafen as two of the four historians who in studying the northern frontier of Mexico had gone beyond speaking of just one of the three Mexican states involved (California, New Mexica, Texas). Later in the same article Weber speaks of Hafen's The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:07, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep meets WP:GNG. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep. There's plenty of reliable third-party sourcing about the subject, contra Robofish. He clearly passes WP:GNG and probably also passes WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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