Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Le Courrier de Floride


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP (nomination withdrawn). (Non-admin closure) --MelanieN (talk) 18:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Le Courrier de Floride

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New publication which does not (yet) meet Notability criteria. PROD was contested by the author; see the article's talk page. MelanieN (talk) 16:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  16:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. MelanieN (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, tentatively. How search for news coverage about this, while excluding its own news articles which appear in Google news?  Seems notable anyhow, based on quality of its articles.  If it has not yet been cited enough in other media (that we know about yet), it will be.  Better to keep rather than delete and recreate. -- do  ncr  am  21:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. The french-speaking inhabitants in Florida are without doubt a lot now, and such creations are linked to. The media is professional, and the journalists have some french journalist cards IDs, what is only given by the union of the professional journalists "CCIJP". + there is not a such creations of newspapers on paper that we should ignore it. --GwendalGauthier (talk) 00:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC) (Note: User:GwendalGauthier is the editor of the Courrier, the author of this article, and a single-purpose account. --MelanieN (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC))
 * (Note: GwendalGauthier was invited by MelanieN and by me to vote/comment here, and GG has disclosed their connection to the Courrier (they are a founder), and they have been informed of wp:COI policy. There's nothing wrong with, and it is fact good, that they are participating here.  They are a new editor and are not yet familiar with all our rules and policies and guidelines and practices. -- do  ncr  am  18:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. In discussion elsewhere, GG asserted that Le Courrier de Floride is more well known than all the former local french newspapers in the US which are listed in List of French-language newspapers published in the United States, and that there are almost 3 million French-speaking inhabitants in Florida, and that French is now the third language spoken in Florida after English and Spanish, which is all possibly/likely true.  Thanks for pointing to that list-article!  I agree with MelanieN that the decision to keep a separate article or not should be based on our wp:notability standards which requires documentation.  It may be deemed here that the Courrier is not yet clearly well enough supported, but then it would be better to merge and redirect the article to the list of French-language newspapers, where it is mentioned.  I "voted" Keep above and still think that's best, but merge and redirect for now would also be reasonable, IMO. -- do  ncr  am  18:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Doncram and Gwendal, if you two can rescue this article, I'm all for it. Here are some links that might be of use to you: and  And if we can't establish the notability of the paper at this point, a redirect to the list is a good suggestion. That would preserve the article's history, so that it could be expanded back to an article at a later date. --MelanieN (talk) 19:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks MelanieN. I added some bits from those two sources to the article.  It seems very relevant to cover the surprising-to-me size of French-speaking population in Florida now.  I guess it's at its highest in the year, now in the midst of winter, with Quebecois snowbirds there.  And great that you agree redirecting is better than outright deletion, if the choice is between them.  I have been trying to improve List of French-language newspapers published in the United States, have found that several of them in the "current" section seem to be long-defunct, and that Haitian ones seem to be about Haiti not about the U.S.  I am quite surprised about New Orleans french-language newspapers seeming to have disappeared long ago.  It seems there's been quite a gap, and that Le Courrier de Floride is in fact the largest French-language newspaper in and about the U.S. or its area in the U.S. now.  Thanks, -- do  ncr  am  00:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  05:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at all the improvements to the article, I am going to withdraw this nomination. Nice work - doncram especially! --MelanieN (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.