Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leader of the Opposition of Singapore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Leader of the Opposition of Singapore

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The concept of "Leader of Opposition in Singapore" sounds a tad nonsensical to me, with Singapore having more than one opposition party, all of which function individually. There is no leader to lead all the opposition parties; every one has an individual leader! There is no need for this article, the various leaders are already mentioned in respective places. (I really don't understand this concept. Even if I do, this is very redundant.)


 * Ooh, I think I understand the meaning now... BUT the article still must go! Already extensively covered in Parliament of Singapore, which covers more about the so-called "Leader of the Opposition" than this article.

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 * Keep. Leader of the Opposition is an established position in many Commonwealth countries and we have many articles about them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think this is a fine article when considered as a fork of the Parliament article. It offers details that wouldn't really fit into the primary article, but for which you might be searching wikipedia. It is also The key is that it isn't an indiscriminate list of opposition leaders, but a finite set of men who have been the Opposition Leader - a different bag of fruit. The only concern is that there are no sources - but, in checking, each of the men listed has sources that refer to their time in office, and (presumably) could be used as sources here to confirm their tenure of office as Opposition Leader or what-have-you. I can track those refs down and move them over here, if this is kept - not gonna waste the time if this is just gonna be deleted. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Pretty obviously encyclopedic content, seemingly accidentally nominated under WP:IDONTGETIT. A little bright in the layout department, which has nothing to do with the encyclopedia-worthiness of the list itself and a good deal to do with my aging eyeballs. This should end with a withdrawal of the nomination or under a blanket of snow, in my estimation... Carrite (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a parliamentary title&mdash;not the same as saying "opposition leader" in the lower-case&mdash;and it's important and unambiguously notable. This should be closed early. Everyking (talk) 16:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Side point - I think the article should be moved to Leader of the Opposition (Singapore), to conform with the other Leader of the Opposition articles. Ratzd&#39;mishukribo (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes a lot of sense, and I'd support that - after the AFD, of course. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 19:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Leader of the Opposition is a title in the Westminister system.-- xanchester  (t)  22:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * COMMENT Yup, it IS a parliamentary title, BUT this page is unneeded, as there is no official leader of the opposition in Singapore now! Low Thia Khiang did not accept the title. So, if there is no more a leader of the Opposition in Singapore now, this page should not exist as we can only include the names of the former "Leader of the Opposition"s in the list, and that would not be relevant. Instead, this should become a redirect to Parliament of Singapore. This is unlike other "Leader of the Opposition" pages, as for the other countries, there is still a "current Leader of the Opposition", unlike here, where the title is no longer taken up. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 03:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are former Leaders of the Opposition not relevant? This is an encyclopaedia, not an almanac of current events. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, it is an encyclopedia, but that does not mean it is not an almanac of current events... After all, why else would we have a "Current events" section in Wikipedia? (It's conveniently located at the left side of this page!) Bonkers The Clown (talk) 11:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The difference between an encyclopaedia and an almanac is that we are not restricted to current events, as you seem to be implying by suggesting that this article is not valid because the post is not currently filled. There are no longer any Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty. Haven't been since 1964. Does that mean we should delete our article on the post? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's interesting that the title is not official and is instead a matter of convention. That should be discussed in the article. It doesn't matter that Low Thia Khiang rejected the title. It's just as notable whether it was used in the past or whether it's used at the present time. Everyking (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly was an important position in Singapore politics. Getting rid of this would be like getting rid of Speaker of the House or Senate Majority Leader. Bgwhite (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - per WP:NOTTEMP - that the post is currently not filled is irrelevant. Are we proposing to delete the article Pope during the next sede vacante because at the time the "post" isn't "filled"? There are myriad positions currently not filled either because they are not longer relevant (but are still notable as historical positions) or because they are currently vacant (for whatever political, social or technical reason). I'd be fine with a rename to Leader of the Opposition (Singapore) for consistency but deletion altogether doesn't seem like a good idea. Stalwart 111  (talk) 01:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SNOW, possibly re-name, but AfD is not for moves. Bearian (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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