Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leading research groups in Iran


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Leading research groups in Iran

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After some consideration, I do not see any way to salvage this article into a list with manageable inclusion criteria and a workable length. To my knowledge there is no external organization that would quantify what groups constitute "leading" research groups. It also is not immediately apparent that there are any similar articles for any other nation or geographical area that could be used as a model. VQuakr (talk) 08:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are similar list articles already. List of universities, colleges, and research institutions in Berlin, List of universities, colleges, and research institutions in Kiev and List of universities and research institutions in Melbourne. However, all of them appear to be in need of sources and better inclusion criteria. With a renaming this could be made into a similar list.. e.g. List of universities and research institutions in Iran MakeSense64 (talk) 09:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 11:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but would anything be gained by renaming this article, rather than starting a new article at List of universities and research institutions in Iran or improving List of universities in Iran? The list under discussion currently contains neither universities nor research institutions. VQuakr (talk) 05:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The article as it looks now is mentioning all "groups" as "group led by ". So it is more a list of leading scientists in Iran. We already have articles like List of Russian scientists, and I also found List of contemporary Iranian scientists, scholars, and engineers, which appears well developed. This supports delete of this article. MakeSense64 (talk) 07:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: a real issue here is the appalling state of List of universities in Iran which needs to be tidied. This tidying should include (*) an opening that explains the types of universities (and tertiary institutions), their entry requirements and funding sources; (*) convert the list to a table, so it can be sorted alphabetically or by region without duplication; (*) Standardizing the actual list to introduce a red link for probably-notable institutions as well as the current url; (*) include total student numbers and the degrees issued. I know nothing of Iran or universities in Iran, but anyone attempting a tidy is welcome to ping my talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:MakeSense64. I'm concerned with issues of WP:OR as well.  It's one thing to have List of Iranian scientists (with wikilinks as appropriate).  It's quite another to assemble a list of "leading" research groups in various fields, apparently belonging to various scientists.  What governs the inclusion in such a list?  What could a source be for such an article?  There may be possibility for an article, but not until someone answers basic questions like these.  It would surely look nothing like the article under review.   Sławomir Biały  (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 14:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 20:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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