Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/League for National Salvation of Vietnamese Residents of Kampuchea


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Indochinese Communist Party. If better sourcing emerges which meets WP:N, it can always be spun back out after gaining consensus on the talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

League for National Salvation of Vietnamese Residents of Kampuchea

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Did my best to locate substantial sources about this group but there is literally nothing available beyond the two sentences already in this article. I tried every possible keyword variation, including snippets like "national salvation"+Kampuchea and similar, but got nothing beyond the source already in the article. We can't maintain an article on the basis of two sentences in a single book.

I'm not sure there's a suitable merge target, but I'd be happy to withdraw and merge somewhere as an alternative to deletion if someone can suggest something. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note I added two sources. Also worth searching for "League for National Salvation of the Vietnamese Residents in Cambodia" etc. I'm not convinced a seperate article is warranted. Perhaps a merge to somewhere like People's Republic of Kampuchea or Cambodian–Vietnamese_War.Pontificalibus 07:35, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep that played an important role in building support for the armed insurgency in South Vietnam is notable enough to warrant a separate article. Now expanded, with more sources. --Soman (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * None of the sources you added constitute in-depth substantial coverage. The most coverage it gets is two sentences and a quote in the Ben Kiernan sources. I'd be on board for a merge maybe to Indochina Communist Party, or Cambodian–Vietnamese_War as suggested by Pontificalibus above, but there's not enough substantial coverage for a standalone article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This isn't how notability works. From WP:NOTABILITY "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article." In this case, relating to an organization that existed 1947-1950, we are able to find a number of sources in English in a few minutes google search, which indicates that the organization played an important role in early stages of regionalization of the Vietnamese resistance (which later led the US to drop more bombs on Cambodia than it had done in Europe in WWII), should point to the existance of more contemporary sources with greater coverage. From the English-language coverage online, we can deduce a greater body of coverage in contemporary sources.
 * As for merging: Any article can be merged somewhere. But that is pointless. The question is, would merger facilitate for the reader to learn about a subject in question? None of the proponents of deletion/merger here has been able to come with a convincing argument why this article should be merged somewhere else (for example, Cambodian-Vietnamese War is an event that occured 3 decades later...). The article subject relates the ICP, the Viet Minh, to the history of Cambodia, the Viet Kieu in Cambodia, etc.., but merging it into one of those only makes it less accessible in regards to the other articles to which it is interconnected. The sole meaningful merger I could think of would be which currently non-existing articles on the other National Salvation groups in Laos, Thailand, Singapore etc.. (which all come up when googling for this article). --Soman (talk) 09:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * we can deduce a greater body of coverage - no, we can't. Substantiating a claim of notability requires the existence of in-depth reliable sources, not the assumption of the existence of such sources. And in this case, all of the sources you have presented are reliable, but are not sufficiently in-depth to support notability. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 09:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * we can deduce a greater body of coverage - no, we can't. Substantiating a claim of notability requires the existence of in-depth reliable sources, not the assumption of the existence of such sources. And in this case, all of the sources you have presented are reliable, but are not sufficiently in-depth to support notability. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 09:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 04:38, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Indochinese Communist Party, of which this was a front organization. There aren't sufficient in-depth sources to expand this article beyond a stub. If such sources emerge, the section within Indochinese Communist Party can be expanded until a split justified. Pontificalibus  07:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


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