Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leathermouth (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 02:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Leathermouth
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Declined G4 speedy deletion nomination. Going back in the deletion log and the deleted contributions, articles on this title have been speedily deleted six times, and once through a previous AFD. While the most recent deleted incarnation of this article was clearly speedy material, this current one has some references, and made me think twice about deleting it, and giving it a new AFD, in order to gauge the community's opinion on whether this subject clears notability, considering the repeated attempts at creating it. If it survives, then great. If it dies, then I highly recommend salting the title to prevent future creations. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: adding
 * because it had a speedy A9 tag on it and clearly should be merged here. Neutral on the AfD. Black Kite 18:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * KEEP both: Notable artist involved, big label, well written articles with lots of references and 3rd party coverage. They do not harm anybody. --Avant-garde a clue- hexa Chord 2  18:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Both Artist meets WP:MUSIC criteria 1, 4, 5 and 6. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 20:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both the band article and the one for the album. Both have adequate evidence of coverage. The only thing missing at the previous AFD was evidence of coverage - this version doesn't have such a problem.--Michig (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both: According to Notability (music), a band is notable if "it has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable," and "contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable." Both of these apply to Leathermouth - the article has several non-trivial sources including one magazine article, and Frank Iero is a member of the notable band My Chemical Romance. The article XO (Leathermouth album) should also not be deleted – according to Notability (music) "if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." Fezmar9 (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, signed to a notable label, notable coverage, etc. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep, both articles now contain more sources than you could shake a stick at, which was the big issue last time.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 21:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would oppose any move to speedy-keep this article, mainly because, given the history of deletion and recreation on this title, we need to have a discussion about it last the full length of time in order to have a firm record of the community's view on this article. In other words, let's end this with a solid result that all can look at and agree that it's unambiguous, and it appears to be trending that way anyway.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Obvious Keep Note to nominator: in future it would be a good idea to review the article in question before nominating, the sources are there and the article clearly documents well sourced notability. It's not good practise to nominate an article simply because it has been deleted previously. --neon white talk 00:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As I've said previously, I'm mainly doing this to get a new consensus on the record, considering that I ran into the current nomination by way of a G4 speedy deletion nomination. At this point, I'm comfortable that it will survive, and put an end to the speedy nominations.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets WP:MUSIC, signed to notable label, notability established per third-party sources. &mdash; neuro  (talk)  00:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


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