Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Ho Fook's


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The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Lee Ho Fook's

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I'm not sure this restaurant is notable. Redirects (first to Werewolves of London and then to Wong Kei) have been challenged. Adam9007 (talk) 01:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, PR, advertisement   --Devokewater  @  10:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  18:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Keep - I found it useful when I played a video of "Werewolves of London" and wanted to know if "Lee Ho Fook's" was a real place. (I'm new to editing on Wikipedia, so, if this is not the way to express my vote, please correct me. Having "Lee Ho Fook's" redirect to the song seems a reasonable alternative to me.)ZevFarkas (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Werewolves of London (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the restaurant is already mentioned. Here are the sources that verify the connection of Lee Ho Fook's to Werewolves of London: The article notes: "As you pass 15 Gerrard Street you may wish to call in and sample the fare of Lee Ho Fook, the Chinese restaurant that ended up in the lyrics to Warren Zevon's classic 'Werewolves of London'." The book notes: "I also have a liking for Lee Ho Fook, down at the Wardour Street end, but less for the food than for the fact that it appears in Warren Zevon's song 'Werewolves of London': I saw a werewolf in Lee Ho Fook's/He was eating some beef chow mein ... Aaaaoooh! Werewolves of London' etc. etc." Cunard (talk) 08:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to "Werewolves of London". Easy enough to copy-paste a paragraph, and per Cunard's refs above the info is verifiable. Not a notable restaurant besides the song. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Now keep per the fantastic WP:HEY by . AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This was the first Chinese restaurant in the UK to receive a Michelin Star, which should certainly guarantee notability. I have expanded the article with a New York Times review and several other references. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reluctantly, weak delete [neutral - see below]. First Michelin-starred Chinese restaurant in the UK should indeed make it notable, but we need evidence of some sources. I did my own search and like those above have not found anything more than brief mentions, unfortunately. Maybe someone with access to newspaper archives in the UK can find something else? &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 19:13, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added sources for that fact from The Times and The Guardian and reviews from The Times and The New York Times No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * These were the sources I had found when I !voted above. The Times is the only one that goes into any depth about it, in a group review of several new restaurants. That's something, but I hoped for more. For the others it's a single line or single paragraph. NYT for example has long done full reviews as well as these [I don't know what to call them... announcements?] that just give the most basic information about a place. It just doesn't seem enough for WP:CORP. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 13:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the date of the sources must be taken into consideration with regards the paucity of the coverage. Were a restaurant to open today in the same position it would be accompanied by a phalanx of blogs, tweets, and multiple reviews coordinated by a public relations team. Such a restaurant was quite novel in the late 1960s in England, the quasi-anthropological nature of the piece by The Times underlines this. Yet the sustained interest in Lee Ho Fook's demonstrates its notability. To have gained a Michelin star and an entry in the Good Food Guide would be guarantee notability for a restaurant in 2020. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good idea for having a sliding scale for source coverage based on date as notability has a function independent of simply stating what's important/significant. We need some good coverage to write a solid article. That it's harder to find sources for older restaurants (how about 1660s in England?) doesn't mean we should hold them to a different standard. I am striking my !vote, however, because while the sources found so far do land me in the weak delete camp, it does seem likely that other sources may exist that aren't easily findable online. Not sure, but it's close enough that I'll switch to neutral. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 14:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Thanks to the expansion undertaken by No Swan So Fine, there are now sufficient references from reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Edwardx (talk) 11:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets GNG after expansion and notable as the first Chinese restaurant in the UK to receive a Michelin star (there are a lot of Chinese restaurants in the UK). Philafrenzy (talk) 13:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


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