Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Kwun Leung Vincent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman 21:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Lee Kwun Leung Vincent

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Non-notable painter. Lacks independent references to establish notability or verifiability of this auto-biographical article.Drawn Some (talk) 05:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC) 
 * I'm particular bad at reading Chinese. Why do you consider the references not independent? - Mgm|(talk) 11:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I use http://www.Google.com/translate to translate. There are no independent references that establish notability, see WP:CREATIVE, he is locally known at best, and most of the information in the article cannot be verified by reliable resources even if he were notable. Drawn Some (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer the question raised above. How is Ta Kung Pao not an independent source? Do you think that the article subject has some influence over its editorial content? If that is the case, then that fact on its own would imply that the subject is notable. And how, when the references are to a national newspaper in a country containing a fifth of the world's population, is the subject "locally known at best"? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You guys are putting words in my mouth as well as focusing on the word "independent". Review the guidelines for artist and you'll see that he lacks independent references to establish notability and to verify the contents of the article. WP:CREATIVE:
 * 1) The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
 * 2) The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
 * 3) The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * 4) The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

Regardless of the independence of the references, the guidelines are not met. Drawn Some (talk) 21:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * wp:creative is "Additional criteria". The basic criteria in Notability (people) still apply even if none of the above are satisfied. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete no significant accomplishments. An art show of his work when he graduated from ollege, and that's it. Fails the guidelines for creative artists. DGG (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. RP459 (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.