Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Roy Myers


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Lee Roy Myers

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He is director, producer, screenwriter in the porn industry, with porn-related awards and various porn ventures, such as the WoodRocket website. The article has no place in Wikipedia since its subject fails WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:BASIC, which are the notability criteria since the deprecation of WP:PORNBIO. -The Gnome (talk) 17:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete getting covered by the PR producing porno advertising industry is not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment This is not just promotional PR. The long filmography list and awards won demonstrate notability. Ambrosiawater (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Not sure why WP:ENTERTAINER is being applied to him when he's a director and filmmaker. As such he satisfies criteria 3 of WP:FILMMAKER given the collective coverage of his movies in that Google News search results. Examples: . Forbes describes him as the "de facto king of porn parodies" while Vice calls him a "celebrated porn parody director" which is evidence of criteria 1. He and his company are also covered in these sources. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: the sources provided above are not indicative of meeting WP:CREATIVE / WP:BIO. For example, the Observer source has this to say: “We figured we had three choices for titles: ‘Game of Bones,’ ‘Game of Moans’ or ‘Game of Thongs,” said Lee Roy Myers, who in addition to being the least visionary porn director/writer working today, is also the purveyor of WoodRocket.com, the company making the web series. (note "least visionary in the descriptor"). Vox is also an interview. I'm not convinced about them calling the subject a "celebrated porn parody director"; I'm sure that there are plenty of outlets calling various nn directors by this moniker. The other sources are equally inconvincing. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment He clearly meets WP:FILMMAKER though, and the XBIZ Award is not a random no-name promotional award. Ambrosiawater (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as demonstrated by Morbidthoughts, he meets WP:FILMMAKER criteria #3: The person has created ... a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. Full Holes and Fap to the Future, are just two of the notable films made by this filmmaker. On his own, he has received at least one very significant coverage. --- C &amp; C  (Coffeeandcrumbs) 09:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please indicate how exactly you assert that the films of our subject are notable per WP:NFSOURCES and WP:NFOE. Were they widely distributed, have they received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics, or were they of historical importance? We have not allowed (and rightly so) films to appear on Wikipedia that are far more known than our subject's output ever was. -The Gnome (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NFOE is not a restriction on WP:NFSOURCES or the GNG. Are you arguing the coverage of those movies in those links are inadequate in terms of the amount of coverage, independence, or reliability? Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:59, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Per and . He is regularly interviewed, even if representing his company, WoodRocket. He's also featured in The Oxford Handbook of Adaptation Studies by Thomas Leitch. Missvain (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But interviews are considered to be a primary source and thus are not an indication of notability! See WP:PRIMARY: Examples of primary sources include...interviews; and WP:PSTS: Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability. -The Gnome (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there are people that feel differently per WP:INTERVIEW. When independent reliable sources decide to interview a subject for a feature, there may be a good reason why, tautological even when discussing the definition of notability. Sure, the transcript itself is primary and any contentious information from that should be considered suspect but that is an issue of verifiability, not notability. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Clearly meets WP:GNG and is the winner of XBIZ Award, a notable merit-based award in the industry. The long list of blue links in the Filmography table clearly indicates that he is notable. Ambrosiawater (talk) 02:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * With the exception of the Seinfeld parody, all the bluelinks in the Filmography section are pointing to the original, notable works that he produced porn parodies of. Very few of his actual works are covered, I just wanted to check you're aware of this. ~ mazca  talk 21:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


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