Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Len Mink


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The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Len Mink

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Declined a speedy on this because there are good faith claims of importance, but I feel notability is not clear, so I'm sending to AfD.

On the delete side, there are just 19 gnews hits, none of which show notability. Gsearch also turning up lots of advertising and passing mentions, but I'm not seeing anything solid.

On the keep side, his show is on in 173 countries (I didn't know there were that many), and the show business career is impressive. Since the show business career was pre-intertoobs, it's quite plausible that a gsearch wouldn't turn up notability that might exist in dead tree sources. Fabrictramp |  talk to me  22:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep. I agree that the usual Google searches don't turn up a lot. There are a few more mentions at Google Books including one long-out-of-print "book" about him that may actually have been a pamphlet, an out of print kid's book he wrote, and a few older references from magazines that acknowledge moments in his long career.  However, the key for me is the TV show: I'd be inclined to think that someone who has his own regular show on a TV network carried by DirecTV--even if it's a relatively obscure one like the TCT network on Channel 377--is prima facie notable.  If we keep it, of course, this article is going to need serious scrubbing.--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This one is a tough call. His show is broadcast on TCT, which isn't exactly a major network.  The GNews hits are mostly "he will perform here Sunday" type notices and not actual coverage.  He has had some CDs released and written a couple books, but not anything remotely notable in its own right.  Interestingly there is a book written about him, but it is only held in 1 WorldCat library.  With appearances on a number of popular programs, it is probable that there is some reliable source coverage in period newspapers.


 * Overall, there is nothing that screams keep by itself, but his body of work is enough that I am going to say keep nevertheless. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Why is this a tough call? No in-depth coverage in reliable sources according to Google News which incorporates archives going back well over a century.  His book is held by no libraries according to WorldCat; I'm not even sure it or they exist.  Appearing on television doesn't make someone notable or every newscaster would be in Wikipedia. Being carried on an obscure channel in multiple countries doesn't confer notability, either, it just means he is non-notable in many places.  I would be more impressed with actual numbers of viewers.  If anyone has independent reliable sources providing significant in-depth coverage to establish notability by our guidelines here at Wikpedia, please share. Drawn Some (talk) 23:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, GNews certainly has some newspapers that go far back, but they are the minority. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete this autobiographical vanity article created by user "Wikilmm" = (pound to a penny) "Wiki Len Mink Ministries".  There are no sources in the article - none at all.  The (alleged) size of his body of work does not make him notable.  I am with Drawn Some - unless there is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject this has to be a straightforward delete.  Springnuts (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep May just about be notable. I have wikified and categorised the article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. --AuthorityTam (talk) 17:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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