Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lenin M. Sivam


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I hope these sources get added to the articles. Thanks to User:Mushy Yank for their work improving the articles after nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Lenin M. Sivam

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WP:BLP of a filmmaker, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for filmmakers. As always, film directors are not "inherently" notable just because their work exists, and have to show evidence of third-party reliable sources covering and analyzing their work -- but after stripping numerous unacceptable sources of the "film sourced to its own directory entry in IMDb" variety (which is not support for notability at all), what's left is one unreliable source reporting that he won an award at a minor local film festival that isn't prominent enough to clinch "notability because award" -- that's looking for major film festivals like Cannes, Berlin, Venice, TIFF or Sundance whose award announcements get covered as news, not just any film festival that exists on the planet -- and one film review in a source that's fine for use but not widely distributed enough to get him or the film over GNG all by itself. In fact, the film's article got draftspaced last year for lacking properly substantiated evidence of notability over and above the same single film review, and then got deleted as a stale draft without ever seeing any further improvement. The two films I've bundled here are also both referenced entirely to primary sources rather than reliable or notability-building ones. There's one film, Roobha, that I'm not bundling, as it actually does have reliable sources present in it — but it's still not at all clear that it has enough sourcing to clear the bar, so no prejudice against somebody else listing it for a separate AFD discussion in the future. Nothing present in any of these articles is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Sri Lanka,  and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Director: Meets WP:DIRECTOR as director of at least one notable film that received significant coverage from reliable sources, Roobha that the nominator had the kindness not to bundle with the other 2 films and their director. Which leads us to the said 2 films: they are clearly notable and received coverage and reviews........... Will improve the pages, Added a few things rapidly, see for yourself.... My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  19:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC) (+1 film that had been draftified so far)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Lenin M. Sivam passes Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in  that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Sources about Lenin M. Sivam:  The article notes: "Lenin M. Sivam's third film Roobha is unlike the traditional Tamil love-story films that he grew up watching. ... Sivam came to Canada from Jaffna, Sri Lanka in 1991, and started making films on the side while working as a software architect. He quit his job four years ago to take up filmmaking full-time, with Roobha — which opens the Reelworld Film Festival on October 9 — coming as a result. ... Sivam met Jesuthasan in 2013, when Sivam was in Paris to screen his previous film A Gun & A Ring. ... The usual challenges of filmmaking were even more onerous with Roobha. While Sivam has addressed difficult topics — such as gang violence among Sri Lankan Tamil Canadian youth in his first film 1999 — Roobha could prove to be controversial."   The article notes: "... says Lenin M. Sivam, the Scarborough filmmaker whose latest, Roobha, opens Toronto’s Reelworld Film Festival on Oct. 9. ... said Sivam, 44, who believes Roobha, like any love story, has universal appeal. ... Sivam’s previous feature films, 1999 (2009), about gang violence during a turbulent year in Toronto’s Tamil community, and A Gun and a Ring (2013), a study of trauma left behind by Sri Lanka’s Sinhalese-Tamil civil war, were done on shoestrings."  <li> The article notes: "... it captures Canadian filmmaker Sivam – who was born in Jaffna, Sri Lanka but moved to Canada in 1991 – once more drawing on his Tamil heritage to stand out from the crowd of Canadian auteurs. Sivam’s 2009 breakout first feature “1999” was set on Toronto’s late ‘90s Sri Lankan gang scene; 2013 follow-up, “A Gun & a Ring,” proved a multi-generational cross-cutter also set in a Toronto’s Sri Lankan community. 2018’s “Roobha” explores the rapturous love affair between a middle-aged married Tamil man and a 20-something trans woman." </li> <li> The article notes: "Tamil-Canadian filmmaker Lenin M Sivam, who fled the Sri Lankan civil conflict as a 17-year-old, is of the same bent of mind. In 2009, he used the $10,000 credit limit on his credit card to fund his début feature 1999, a gritty narrative about the gang violence that swept through Toronto's Tamil communities when he was a teenager." </li> </ol></li> <li>Sources about 1999:<ol> <li> The review notes: "Inspired by real-life events, Canadian indie filmmaker Lenin M. Sivam's captivating first feature, 1999, is a sinuously provocative, edge-of-your-seat story of friendship, betrayal and courage." </li> <li> The article notes: "The murder of Palasanthiran - one of several innocents killed by chance during the years the VVT and AK Kannans fought in Scarborough's streets - was not recreated in Lenin M. Sivam's 1999 film drama about Tamil youth gangs, but Sivam recalls Palasanthiran's funeral as a turning point. ... Those interviews formed 1999's main characters: the underachiever Anpu, Kumar the gang leader and Ahilan, a straight-arrow university student." </li> <li> The article notes: "Canadian Tamil film 1999, which made its debut in Vancouver International film Festival in October last year, won the Midnight Sun award Wednesday at the Tamil Film Festival-2010 held at the Filmenshus Kino in Oslo, Norway, cinematic enthusiasts attending the event said. 1999 was directed by Lenin M. Sivam, an Eezham Tamil of Canada and a software professional. ... The film 1999, featuring violence-affected Eezham Tamils struggling to adjust their lives in Canada, is the first full-feature production of the largely self-made filmmaker." </li> <li> The article notes: "1999 (Lenin M. Sivam). Lenin M. Sivam's insightful drama explores the paths of three young Tamil immigrants grappling with gang violence in their Toronto community. Emotional and eye-opening, Sivam's film explores the challenges and opportunities of life in Canada, and the devastating impacts of experiencing civil war." </li> </ol></li> <li>Sources about Gun & A Ring:<ol> <li> The article notes: "Inspired to tell the kind of story "no one else was telling," Canadian filmmaker Lenin M. Sivam and Eye Catch Multimedia have created the riveting new feature film A Gun & A Ring, screening at York Cinemas on Sept. 28. ... Weaving six stories together, linked to a single gun and a wedding ring, the film explores the harsh realities faced by different generations of Tamil Canadians who try to rebuild their lives in an adopted land, but are unable to let go of their pasts framed by violence, death and conflict in Sri Lanka. ... A Gun & A Ring had its world premiere at the 16th Shanghai International film festival in June where it was nominated for the prestigious Golden Goblet Award." </li> <li> The article notes: "All of the Scarborough filmmaker’s six storylines are connected through a diamond engagement ring and a revolver with a hawk on the handle. ... A Gun & A Ring is a far bigger film than 1999, Sivam’s 2009 feature about Tamil-Canadian gangs fighting on the streets of Scarborough a decade earlier. ... A Gun & A Ring, with its six different narrators eventually colliding into one theme, is not entirely fictional as it brings more stories from Greater Toronto’s Tamil community to the screen. ... But underlying everything in A Gun & A Ring is the civil war, and Sivam’s aim in the film - which has its Greater Toronto premiere at 7 p.m. this Saturday at the York Cinemas in Richmond Hill - is to explore how the war still affects day to day experiences in Canada. ... With all its locations in Scarborough and Markham - viewers may recognize Morningside Park or Sylvan Park by the Scarborough Bluffs - a Gun & A Ring cost $100,000 to shoot over a single two-week period." </li> <li> The article notes: "A Scarborough filmmaker’s latest feature, A Gun and A Ring, will screen at the 37th Montreal World Film Festival, which starts this week. ... The Toronto area premiere of A Gun and A Ring is scheduled for Sept. 28 at the York Cinemas in Richmond Hill." </li> <li> The article notes: "Canadian filmmaker Lenin M. Sivam's Tamil-Canadian venture "A Gun & A Ring" is set to make its world debut at the 16th Shanghai International Film Festival (SIFF) in June. Nominated for the prestigious Golden Goblet Award, the highest prize awarded at the festival, the film uses brilliantly interwoven montage of characters to explore the harsh realities faced by different generations of Tamil Canadians who try to re-build their lives in an adopted land, but are unable to let go of their past framed by violence, death and conflict in Sri Lanka." </li> <li> The article notes: "From the streets of Markham to the big screen, cast and crew of A Gun and a Ring are walking the red carpet during the 16 annual Shanghai International Film Festival, which continues to tomorrow. Their first full-length feature film, produced by Markham's Eyecatch Multimedia Ltd., brings to light the harsh realities experienced by different generations of Sri Lankan residents in Toronto. The film, partially filmed in Markham, also explores the emotion turmoil of Tamil Canadians stuck between a cruel past marred by violence and new future in a new land." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lenin M. Sivam, 1999, and Gun & A Ring to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC) </li></ul> Relisting comment: Relisting for analysis of the sources and the consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep - the sources presented above are all good, and the reasons for the nomination were not proper (WP:NOTCLEANUP). Valid subjects demonstrating N for each. microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 15:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


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