Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leota Toombs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Leota Toombs

 * – ( View AfD View log )

This Disney employee was named a Disney Legend, but that honor does not appear to be particularly notable (considering all the redlinked honorees). Clarityfiend (talk) 01:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * delete No evidence of third-party notability. And I concur with Clarityfiend about the notability of the award, given that there are as many as 18 winners some years it's basically a glorified employee of the month award. HominidMachinae (talk) 05:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 07:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable enough. Wikipedia is both a serious encyclopedia and a compendium of popular culture and she needs to be here as part of the latter mission. I see far more blue-links at Disney Legends than I do red... and as redlinks only mean that articles have not yet been written in Wikipedia as an unfinished work-in-progress, I do not see needing new articles as a suitable deletion argument.  One might choose to disregard an in-house honor awarded to a mere handful out of over 100,000 employees, sure... but more difficult to disregard this person's contribution making it into the enduring record of American popular culture... her work being covered in multiple reliable sources and in sevarl books. Yes, related to that epitome of popular culture notability Disney... but logical, as THAT was her career and IS the assertion of notability. The Haunted Mansion: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies ISBN 0786854197, Walt Disney Imagineering: A Behind the Dreams Look at Making the Magic Real ISBN 0786883723, The Hidden Magic of Walt Disney World: Over 600 Secrets of the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney's Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom ISBN 1605500631, Travel Orlando, Florida, Walt Disney World Resort and More ISBN 1605011762. Article requires improvement through use of readily available sources, but not deletion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not having access to those sources I would like to ask, do they discuss the article subject individually? or their work along with others more generally. I might compare the position of disney imagineer to that of a cast of a movie.  Some positions may be notable (Director, producers, people that made notable contributions to the art of cinematography or special effects in the process) but others (assistant grips, catering assistants) may not be.  HominidMachinae (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. No significant, substantial, independent coverage; she has fewer GNews hits than I do, and the hits appear to be almost entirely passing mentions. "Disney Legend" award does does not appear to be significant, and just about all of the notable awardwinners are notable independent of the award. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If notability were being asserted per her meeting the GNG, then your argument about the required verifiability not being significant coverage might have merit. As that is not the assertion, that argument fails. As for she having fewer GNews hits than you, I politely point you to WP:GOOGLEHITS, which is not a provision of the WP:V required to confirm her work and award.  If the award is granted as significnat, then we may look to WP:ANYBIO and require the available verifiability, without also comparing her to other persons and demanding that she have coverage and notability apart from the notable award.  Guideline does not demand that any individual be notable for all parts of their life, if found notable for even one.  Her contributions have made it into the enduring record. What is too often forgotten, is that while the GNG is always a nice yardstick by which to measure notability, it is not the only yardstick we use here at Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence that "Disney Legend" is in any way a significant or notable award. Despite Schmidt's (who I have huge respect for) rationale, it fails on the assumption of significance in the award.  "Disney Legend" appears to me, and this is an assumption as well, to be just like "Employee of the Month" except in this case it is a little more long term than a month.  I can't see any significance of the award outside of the local Disney employee community.  As that is all her notability is based on, I must !vote delete.--v/r - TP 14:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.