Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Les Davies


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The result was   delete. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D  05:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Les Davies

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Footballer for Bangor City FC, the article states it's a "semi-professional" league. Does that pass WP:ATHLETE? If not, there's Category:Bangor City F.C. players. Lara 18:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 20:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think that Caio Iwan and Mark Smyth should also be considered since neither have played in a fully professional league and whatever decision we make should be consistent across other articles. This is a tricky one. I agree that it fails WP:ATHLETE. However, that is a guideline to which exceptions can be made. In this case the guy has played at the highest national league level. He also seems to meet WP:BIO separately. There are references in reliable sources; for example.,  Just about sufficient, I think.Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I concur about Iwan, however Smyth made one appearance for Liverpool -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - although the League of Wales might be the highest level league in its country, it is still a part-time league with no full-time players at all and an average attendance of about 200. If players in the Conference National, which has 75% full-time professional players and average attendances about ten times higher can't have articles, I don't see why LoW players should get a free pass just because it's the highest of the amateur/semi-pro leagues in Wales -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE as he has yet to play at a fully professional level, and fails WP:N as the only sources available seem to be run-of-the-mill sports journalism and match reports which don't satisfy the guideline's requirement for non-trivial substantial converage. Bettia   (bring on the trumpets!)  08:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Spiderone  15:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The nom is hardly conclusive as the user is unsure whether he passes notability. --Jimbo[online] 20:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry. Delete per Bettia then Spiderone  12:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete per Chris the Dude. Geschichte (talk) 21:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable player who fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 16:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm all in favour of relaxing the "fully professional league" requirement of WP:ATHLETE for players playing in the top leagues of countries larger than micronations, such as Ireland and Finland, even if some players in the league are not professional (they are usually by any common-sense standard more notable than players in, say, League 2), but in the case of Wales we have to recognise that the top level clubs are those that play in the English pyramid, rather than in the League of Wales. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


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