Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Les Davies (2nd nomination)


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The result was Keep (NAC). Mentoz86 (talk) 07:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Les Davies
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Does not pass WP:NFOOTY. The coverage he has received has also only been routine coverage and he is really only famous for one event (See WP:ROUTINE and WP:BLP1E) --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league, and coverage of him has been routine. As such, this article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - He has notability, since he was nominated to the 2012 UEFA Best Player in Europe Award. SirEdimon (talk) 21:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Normally I'd vote delete in cases like this, but I'm feeling generous towards my countryman as I believe his nomination to the UEFA European Player of the Year award has received far more than "routine coverage". – PeeJay 21:43, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I would say being nominated as UEFA's player of the season is notable. Eldumpo (talk) 21:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. To delete this article would be to decisively reject the basis on which NFOOTBALL exists. Unless of course someone is going to argue that being nominated as one of the best players in Europe, and consistently being regarded as one of the best in Wales, does not rank as highly as a couple of League Two appearances in terms of encyclopaedic significance. —WFC— 22:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify that comment, NFOOTBALL exists on the premise that it is a fairly accurate reflection of the GNG. I am not arguing for a keep here, because I think the subject is of borderline significance. But he is without doubt more notable than, say, a five-time Barnet substitute. —WFC— 22:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Being nominated among the 32 UEFA Best Player of the year confers notability. Ekrenor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: While I do agree that it is a good honor being named to the shortlist of UEFA's best players but come on, the only reason he made it was because some journalist wanted some representation from Wales. This is no different than a player from San Marino who has only played in the San Marino league who was the best player in that league being nominated just because some journalist wanted representation from San Marino. Both the San Marian and this player would be playing in non-professional leagues and are only famous (probably for one week) for one event. The chances of them winning is probably at 5% if anything. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep the recent international coverage seems to meet WP:GNG. And there's been other coverage over the years such as in 2009 and  in 2008. Nfitz (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree on both articles helping his cause as I consider both to just be journalism on a specific player in one match. Happens even in 5th tier and below in England sometimes but in the 2nd article the match he was in was for the Wales national football team. Yes it was not the full Welsh squad but it was the Wales national team. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 05:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - although he fails WP:NFOOTY by a mile, the media coverage he's received recently from his UEFA nomination is more than enough to satisfy the general notability guideline. Hell, this story was even broadcast on Sky News last night. ★ Bald Zebra ★ talk 06:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember the last time I went on to England a month ago and Sky News was showing Irish league highlights. Unless someone can literally put enough sources down that dont all relate to that one event than fine. If not than he is no different than a non-notable player being nominated for the Asian Footballer of the Year. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Obviously he fails WP:FOOTY, so we need to consider WP:BIO. The earliest mention of Mr Davies that I can find dates from 2002, playing for Beaumaris aged 17. Within months, he was joining Welsh Premier club Caernarfon. Later in 2003, he was a "talented teenager" playing for Bangor. In 2006, he was man of the match as the Wales semi-pro side won the Four Nations Tournament. This recent piece remembers his role in Glantraeth's 2003/04 Welsh Cup giantkillings and reminds us he has since won three Welsh Cups and a Welsh Premier League title; those are achievements that didn't go unreported. Etc, etc. Much of the coverage is trivial, and some is not. But ongoing coverage of Mr Davies's career over ten years removes the validity of any appeal to WP:BLP1E regarding the recent award nomination. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - it would normally be a case of WP:BLP1E but this appears to meet WP:GNG so I'm happy about his notability. GiantSnowman 13:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Okay fine. Lets just ride this AfD out then till an admin can close this. Keep it is. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 17:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep not only is the WPL a Professional league, but it is the top of the welsh pyramid Atban3000 (talk) 12:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The WPL is not a fully professional league, almost all (if not all) of the players are part-timers -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WFC. Minfo (talk) 12:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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