Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesley Lebkowicz


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The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 16:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Lesley Lebkowicz

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Poet, no independent, mainstream coverage of her or the award as far as I see. Nothing on Google Books, neither. The award government page claims her to be "Well-known Canberra poet" - if so, perhaps we can save her article and find other sources. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:05, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comments by Paulknight34b:
 * The award was recognised by the then minister for Arts in the ACT http://www.arts.act.gov.au/functions/news_and_events/items/lesley-lebkowicz-wins-2013-act-poetry-prize
 * The honour of having a poem on the ACTION bus program is decided by a panel of three eminent australian poets. It is estimated to take the poetry to "about 10,000 bus commuters a day", so provides a mainstream platform for the poetry as well as support for the claim to be "well known" in Canberra. http://info.cmcd.act.gov.au/archived-media-releases/media1b9d.html?v=5798&s=245
 * Ms Lebkowicz was recognised as one of 100 notable literary figures for the writers showcase to celebrate the centenary of the founding of Canberra, and the main article has been updated to reflect this.
 * The review by Peter Pierce of her latest book in the Sydney Morning Herald, is independent mainstream coverage of the poet. He described her work as an "accomplished verse collection" and the poet as having "an established career" and entitled to "full recognition". http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/russian-spies-and-vivid-musings-20130829-2stl1.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulknight34b (talk • contribs) 05:35, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There should be more detail about the implications or conclusions that are intended to be drawn from the comment "nothing on google books neither (sic)". Ms Lebkowicz's books could be easily put on google books by joining their partner program and submitting them.   But we would question how doing so would increase her inherent notability specifically.  It would be a sales distribution action taken by her publisher, who has decided to take different distribution options, such as having the books stocked in quality bookstores around Australia and in Paris and London.  The guidelines make it clear that notability comes from recognition by people not connected to the author.  Being on google books, which can occur as an action by people connected to the author, ought not to imply notability per se.  However recognition such as that accorded Lesley Lebkowicz by reviews, including in mainstream dailies which accept without hesitation that she is an established poet, having her poems chosen by eminent peers for public art programs, seen by the whole populace on buses and engraved into the pavements, and chosen for celebrations of the centenary of her hometown, as well as winning or being shortlisted for numerous poetry awards does imply the poet has been considered notable by third parties in a number of spheres.  However if there is a rule of thumb that the presence of a book on Google books enhances the author's notability, that can be arranged.--Paulknight34b (talk) 06:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The 2013 prize was announced on Regator which is a curated international blog directory and search platform--Paulknight34b (talk) 06:32, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep The ACT Prize is competitive with 128 entries, a high recognition for a regional writer. The book The Petrov Poems has received at least three reviews and would pass WP:AUTHOR #3 "multiple reviews". I think with the award and book she just passes notability. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Question Does this qualify as resolved, so that the notice on the article may be removed?--Paulknight34b (talk) 03:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No wait until enough time has passed, 1 to 3 weeks usually, then an administrator looks at all the arguments and judges Keep, Delete or No Consensus (effective keep). -- Green Cardamom (talk) 05:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:HEY - based on the three citations, it now shows she's been the subject of significant coverage, thus passing WP:CREATIVE. Bearian (talk) 18:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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