Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesley Williams (politician)


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Lesley Williams (politician)

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Local county level English politician who does not meet WP:NPOL. I don't see enough reliable sources to meet WP:GNG, especially considering that what there is is routine coverage. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC) — Striking per WP: SOCKSTRIKE. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Unsure. I would agree that this article is borderline notable. Does having a CBE infer notability? Jason.nlw (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The CBE would, but she only has an MBE, two levels below. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The MBE does not confer notability, unless it was awarded by a Royal Personage, which in this case it was not. My understanding is that the OBE would confer presumed notability, along with the higher ranks of the Order of the British Empire which are the CBE, K/DBE and GBE. The MBE is the lowest level and awarded fairly routinely to several thousand people a year for long service to the public. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC) — Striking per WP: SOCKSTRIKE. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it wouldn't make any difference who physically awarded it. They all come from the same source and are awarded by the Crown. The OBE isn't generally considered sufficiently notable on its own either. The CBE and above are. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. I saw this a few days ago and questioned it, but I left it because I'm not British and wasn't sure about the notability standards for the MBE. But if the MBE isn't considered an inherently notable distinction, then she doesn't have grounds for inclusion at all — county councillor is not an office that automatically passes WP:NPOL, and the sourcing isn't getting her past NPOL #2 as a "more notable than the norm" special case: it's far too dependent on primary sources and routine local coverage which is simply expected to exist for all county councillors, and the only source that expands beyond the purely local just namechecks her existence a single time in the process of not being about her. All of which means that none of the sources are cutting it in terms of making her a notable county councillor. Bearcat (talk) 18:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete based on Necrothesp. Does not pass WP:POLITICIAN and not otherwise notable. SportingFlyer  talk  02:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:POLITICIAN.  FITINDIA   07:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


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