Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leslie William "Billy" Sunday


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 18:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Leslie William "Billy" Sunday

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According to a quote in a story on the Department of Defense website, the character Leslie William "Billy" Sunday (the character played by Robert DeNiro in the film Men of Honor) was not a real person, but a composite character based on three different people. I boldly redirected the article to the film article back in 2009, but it has been resurrected. Instead of just redirecting, I thought it better to bring it here. The article as it stands has a few inconsistencies; for example,if you accept the assertions that he was forced to retire in 1966 AND he was born in 1901.... well, you can do the maths. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 00:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  — Logan Talk Contributions 00:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fictional character. Even if he wasn't, his notability is based entirely on his portrayal in a film, unlike Brashear himself, whose notability is based on his achievements. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:24, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect As a character in the film, the redirect is best. The character is not independently notable, but is part of the film. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:46, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect - to Men of Honor as it seems like a viable search term even if the bloke isn't real, either that or delete. Anotherclown (talk) 08:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. As to redirects, would anyone really enter "Leslie William "Billy" Sunday" as a search term?! Billy Sunday maybe. Leslie Sunday possibly. But the whole thing? Never. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not a real person and not a viable search term. — chro • man • cer 20:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge if there's content worth reusing in the article on the movie, else delete. I note that the hatnote at Billy Sunday already points to the film article, hence agree that a search term on the full name is unlikely. Jclemens (talk) 03:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is no evidence that this fictional character meets the general notability guideline. The article appears to be a plot-only description of a fictional work disguised as the biography of a supposedly real person. Even treating the subject as a real person, there are no reliable third-party sources to presume that it meets the notability criteria for people. The content in the article fails verifiability since there are zero sources to backup the claims there, so all content is original research, nothing that deserves to be merged. I do not believe that the article title is a viable search term so I don't think that a redirect is warranted. Jfgslo (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. No hits on Yahoo! and Google except for some Yahoo! Answers entries questioning whether this person was real. SwisterTwister (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.