Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leszek Gondek


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The result was keep. Seems like the claims of meeting WP:NPROF are well supported and have convinced editors. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Leszek Gondek

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Poorly sourced - standard death notice on nekrologi.wyborcza.pl and a review (dead link) in polishhistory.pl. Doesn't pass WP:NPROF (h-index of around 5 per my eyeball at scholar, doesn't tick any of of the other relevant boxes). Icewhiz (talk) 13:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC) Icewhiz (talk) 13:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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 *  Delete  10-year-old ORPHAN page about a historian who published in Polish. In those 10 years the only substantive material added to the page is this unsourced text:, itself arguably a violation of WP:NOTMEMORIAL. What I can verify is that although he wrote about a period , Poland during WWII, about which oceans of ink have been spilled, I am not finding him cited in non-Polish books on the topic in the Latin alphabet.  This appears to be part of something approaching a walled garden, a literature in Polish about Poland during the Second World War that is not in conversation with the literature about WWII published in French, German and English.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The page isn't ORPHAN.Xx236 (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's hard to establish NPOF for scholars who published pre-Internet and not in English, GScholars is notoriously bad with indexing their works. As EMG notes, it's a walled garden problem, but it doesn't mean they such scholars had no impact - it is just that they published in Polish, and few English scholars read Polish. Same problems face a lot of other scholarship around the world, even modern, from Poland, to Korea, Japan, etc. (Of course, a good chunk of such scholarship is low quality, but that's another issue). Here, GScholar shows dozen+ publications, with 4 reporting 10+ citations - which is not bad, again, considering GScholar is likely to miss a bunch of citations for non-English works. GBooks also shows a number of citations. And some of those citing him are in English (ex. see which cites some of his findings). He is described in English here, for example: "Prof. Gondek is the author of a book on Polish intelligence activities against Germany in pre-war years". His work got non-academic reviews, too, ex ., . He is described as the author of the most important works on Polish WWII justice system here. Lastly, he is a subject of an in-depth treatment - a book chapter: . Even if the other arguments are borderline, being a subject to a chapter-length academic treatment should be sufficient for keeping his bio. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some historians' unfamiliarity with an author is not ipso facto evidence of his non-notability.  Two of Leszek Gondek's books were published by the Polish Ministry of National Defense, which saw merit in them.  Nihil novi (talk) 20:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Gondek is quoted by John Connelly and others in several English-language Wikipedia articles. Nihil novi (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps he belongs in the Polish wikipedia, but not in the English one.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * He certainly passes pl wiki notability for academics, which are more accepting than ours. Unfortunately, English Wikipedia has very lax criteria for sportspeople, but very strict for academics (see User:Levivich/Footy_AfDs). As I said, I believe this is a problem, and one way to change this is here; another at the talk of the notability guidelines for academics, where we have some ongoing discussions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. https://scholar.google.pl/scholar?hl=pl&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=leszek+gondek&btnG= Xx236 (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


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