Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Let Loose (Marc Mysterio song)


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Let Loose (Marc Mysterio song)

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Fails WP:NSONGS, because none of the charts are notable charts (some on WP:BADCHARTS, others just plain unsourced or non-notable). Article has fake references, such as http://lescharts.com/showitem.asp?key=332098&cat=s, which is to a legitimate chart, but for a different song. Efforts to redirect the article have been thwarted. &mdash;Kww(talk) 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep:The song has its notability established... FDR is THE national radio chart for Ukraine... The FDR Company, in addition to servicing all of Ukraine's Radio Stations with new music available for airplay, tracks the spins of those stations and charts accordingly. http://fdr.com.ua/ The Mix FM Chart of Cyprus is considered the Pop Radio Chart of Cyprus whereas it is the only top 40 radio station in Cyprus with 2 stations on each coast... Let Loose was in the top 100 songs of 2009. The above user, for reasons only known to himself, has apparently declared war on this artist and is vandalizing edits on various pages pertaining to him and has failed to note any knowledge of the music business, internationally, and is also belittling the importance of these countries overseas which simply shows a lack of knowledge of the industry. As an industry professional, I vote KEEP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 02:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a notable song, no sources. And watch the bad faith accusations, anonymous one. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, note that the article has already been up for deletion and deemed within the scope of wikiproject songs see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Let_Loose_(Marc_Mysterio_song)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean much really. I've seen hoax songs tagged with that template. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Why dont you tell us, then, what is the National Radio Chart of Ukraine Mister? It is FDR... Same for Cyprus on Mix FM. End of discussion.. Notes the notability... If necessary, I'll go through google cache to locate it.... The FDR Chart is cited within wikipedia, as well, in other articles... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 03:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We have certain standards that charts have to meet, and the FDR chart doesn't seem to meet them. I'm sorry if you hate our rules, but you have to abide by them. It shouldn't be cited in other articles, we just haven't gotten around to removing them yet. And for God's sake, sign your posts. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Bro, its the national chart for Ukraine... Period... Just because you arbitrarily don't recognize Ukraine --or understand it -- doesn't mean that it doesn't meet wiki standards... It is the billboard equivelent for the country of Ukraine.This should be the money link right here: http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=11180 Of course, your comments may be based that you don't think Ukrainians are relevant... If that is indeed the case, you are far mistaken since its one of the most culterally rich places on this earth (and population of over 65,000,000). This song spent 12 weeks on its top 20 dance radio chart... Its documented... again, vote KEEP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 06:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I suggest you review this page to learn of notable charts that are recognized in the industry (and this will serve as dispositive for the cyprus issue whereas let loose was ranked #53 as top 100 songs of 2008 for the country on Mix Fm - the only top 40 pop network in the country)http://www.lanet.lv/misc/charts/ It further supports legitimacy established by the previous post of FDR and FMC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete:This is a case of a fanatic trying to set up a page and seeing the amount of false information concocted (shudder) I strongly suggest Delete. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 07:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete...here, all the way down here...not notable, did not chart in reliable charts. That deletion might risk disenfranchising 65 million people is a risk we'll have to take (thanks, Tom Robbins). Drmies (talk) 03:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - no notability established. Agree with TPH and Legolas above. - eo (talk) 11:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion from article creator about FDR/Ukraine and MixFM/Cyprus charts

 * 'Keep: I have checked the wiki good charts... There ARE NONE AT THIS TIME FOR EITHER UKRAINE OR CYPRUS.

Additionally, Superstar and Grammy Nominee StoneBridge had the song charted as one of the top of 2008 (see, http://www.megamind.se/page.php?id=2859_.

This discussion could very well hinge upon as to whether or not FDR is an official chart of Ukraine and/or if Mix FM Cyprus is recognized as an official chart of Cyprus.

Neither have been identified as bad charts and no other charts from these countries have been identified yet. FDR Chart was even noted in the Kylie Minogue article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_(Kylie_Minogue_song)

I suggest that we place a hold on the deletion discussion of LET LOOSE, until reaching such conclusion.

To do so otherwise would be arbitrary and capricious whereas its a matter of first impression, that is, is the FDR Chart an official airplay chart for Ukraine? Is Mix FM Chart an official airplay chart for Cyprus in light of the fact that its top 20 is considered to be the top 20 of Cyprus internationally, as well as the fact that it is the only FM Network in the country that is Pop based and covers the whole island??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * FDR stands a chance: I've been frustrated in my efforts to verify its legitimacy by the language barrier, but it may be legitimate. The Cyprus chart is a single vendor chart, so it's unacceptable by definition. There is no obligation to recognize a chart for every country: there isn't even an accepted chart for each of the 30 IFPI countries, much less the other 210 smaller ones. There isn't a recognized chart for my country (the Netherlands Antilles), for example: the only published chart is from Dolfijn FM on Curacao, and that's another single station chart. The only reference I've found the FDR so far is from top40-charts.com, but we don't accept them as a reliable source either.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. So if we agree that FDR is a legit chart, then we can close this discussion...

As I mentioned, FDR acts in a similar way as Billboard... It distributes new music on cd each week to all radio stations: http://fdr.com.ua/compilation/d/402/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

As well as new music videos to tv there.

Then, based on the amount of spins accrued, it compiles national air play charts:

http://fdr.com.ua/chart/dance/

On the other hand, Mix FM is the BBC Radio 1 of Cyprus. They are THE station and promoters that bring in all the big talent to the island. When Europe makes its combined chart for top 40 across Europe, the Mix FM top 20 is considered THE chart for the country. Let Loose not only went top 20 there (#2 actually, behind Madonna 4 Minutes), but it also made the top 100 songs of 2008... Not a fringe charting...

I think what we are going to resolve here is that the status quo is acceptable, that is, that This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of songs on Wikipedia.

I suggest that the user Kww does a google search on the title as well to see how wide spread it is, in fact.

I'd alternatively note the Stonebridge Charting Support as well simply in support of ""KEEP"" since the above user called me a fanatic or whatever, that is, just to note that the most famous club/radio djs also were playing this track and charting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source that shows that FDR is anything other than a single network in the Ukraine. So far as I can determine, that is what it is. We don't allow single vendor charts. I haven't "agreed" that is legitimate for use, I've said that I'm still looking.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, FDR is NOT A NETWORK..

FDR does not own or operate any radio stations... Rather, FDR distributes new music each week from Record Labels Around the world to ALL and I repeat ALL radio stations in Ukraine.

It additionally compiles National AIR Play Charts based on the amount of plays the songs get on all of the radio stations each week.

This is the same exact thing that Billboard does in USA.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I have said this now for the 5th time mate.

"In cooperation with FDR Radiocenter, Top40-Charts presents the Ukraine Chart

Based on airplay data from 170 radio stations, the chart is published on a weekly basis, every Wednesday.

FDR also publishes Rock and Dance airplay charts."

see: http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=11180

(as a footnote, I'd note that we accept the info presented on what FDR is from the top40-charts article, not any top40-charts generated charts. I don't think its ever been in dispute that the factual info describing the charts on there is incorrect) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 19:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing that top40-charts.com says is acceptable. Nothing. Can you provide any other source about FDR? I haven't been ignoring your statements, I've simply noted that top40-charts.com is not a credible source for anything.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you spoke Ukranian, you would be able to understand it just fine... Or, if you were in the music business, and had knowledge of Ukraine, Russia, and CIS Countries insofaras music business...

I can attest to what they are saying on the charts based on a compilation of 170 stations is accurate.

I think that your read that NOTHING from that top 40 site is acceptable is not terribly accurate since they do contain many accurate things on there.

I'm not going to spend hours on this. I do have a life, lol...

Either learn to speak Ukranian and verify it yourself, or let it go...

I can email an artist from there who would be able to locate some web links... Again, this seems to be a witch hunt on your end. No offense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 20:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

FOUND THESE OTHER LINKS ALL NOTING FDR TO BE OFFICIAL CHART OF UKRAINE:

http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Were_a_Boy *** CHECK THIS ***

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Brave_(Jennifer_Lopez_album)#5.

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1540179

http://www.escforum.net/forum/showthread.php?p=977348 (NOTES IS THE ONLY OFFICIAL CHART IN UKRAINE)

http://www.flyzzza.com.ua/news_2008.html (IN UKRAINIAN)

http://www.sunriseelectro.com.ua/news.htm

http://www.escforum.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1323223 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.2.139 (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, other Wikipedias are not reliable secondary sources, and nor are Wikipedia mirrors. MuZemike 00:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I just went through all this mess and did research. It appears that FDR is not only the official combined airplay chart for 170 stations in Ukraine, however, it is in fact the only chart.

To call this chart a 'crap chart' would be tantamount to disenfranchising some 65,000,000 people that live in Ukraine... Thats more than Benelux + Canada in population combined...

The country may still be developing and, moreover, may not have the media power that they do in USA, but its still a very large population that supports music.

I vote Keep based on the circumstantial evidence here and the lack of any dispositive evidence to the contrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.152.29 (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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