Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levan Songulashvili


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Levan Songulashvili

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fails WP:ARTIST. The sources just don't stack up to notability for an artist. Jahaza (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. Jahaza (talk) 16:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – Jahaza (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Theroadislong did a good job in improving the article. The article has many sources from online magazines, press releases, newspapers. Levan Songulashvili is one of the most well-known living artist of Georgia, he got prize by President of Georgia, had received several major awards... On December 31, 2015, he was nominated for "The Best Artist of The Year" next to Niko Pirosmani, which was great XX century artist. In 2015, Levan's artwork was sold at Sotheby's auction house in New York City at Take Home A Nude art show. The artist's painting was exhibited with world famous artists pieces, including work by Eric Fischl, Will Cotton, Arthur Elgort, Patrick Demarchelier, Yoko Ono and Kiki Smith. He has exhibitions in and out of his country... Levan is a member of Artists Union of Georgia, there are many interviews with the artist in a lots of broadcasting companies and you can find various articles about him in popular magazines and newspapers nationwide (in Georgian, Russian and English languages). In 2010, there was an article about him in Georgia's Public Encyclopedia... There are lots of papers in Georgian and Russian languages, as well as in English. It is important for Georgian society to have an article about the artist in English language Wikipedia and it is already a strange fact that we are doubting on it. You can delete it but remember, it will be a big mistake. I expect more from you before you make a final decision." GeorgianArtCenter (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC) GeorgianArtCenter (talk) 21:27, 8 January 2016 (UTC)GeorgianArtCenter
 * You should cite the Georgian Public Encyclopedia article as a source in the article -if indeed that the national encyclopedia of Georgia mentioned him in 2010 then he is clearly notable. You should also give some citations to the georgian and russian newspaper articles (preferably with a translation of the title into English). if you can provide this that will demonstrate that he is notable since notability does not require English language sources even though that is most comfortable for most editors.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment If what GeorgianArtCenter says is true and there is an article about him in a major Georgian encyclopedia - then I would say that Songulashvili passes the general notability criteria. Same is true if Georgian news coverage establishes that he has received significant critical attention in Georgia.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ·maunus, I totally agree with you. I can also provide the letter of appreciation by President of Georgia and many other documentations, certified by translator. The Public Encyclopedia is a book which is not online but I have PDF document of the certified translation in English. How can I provide those files? Sincerely, GeorgianArtCenter (talk) 22:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)(talk)
 * You dont need to provide them, you can just cite them as you would cite any other off-line book. And you dont need certified translations either. The letter from the president is not a useful source since it is not a published work. If a news article mentions the letter from the president, then that would also support notability.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Jahaza, ·maunus, I did some changes, the article is improved and I am sure it is ready without any doubts! Besides of other sources of articles in press (magazines,newspapers, online press releases in Georgian, English and Russian languages), I used the article of Georgian Encyclopedia, 9th edition, volume I, Publication - 2010. GeorgianArtCenter (talk) 04:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)GeorgianArtCenter
 * You have indeed added a good number of sources, several of which seem decidedly to be "non-trivial" and "independent of the topic". Some of them do appear to be low quality non-reliable sources, and many of them are not formatted in a way that allows the reader to discern if the source is reliable or not, or if it is even about the topic of the article, but that is not important at this point since per policy we have to assume good faith until we have a good reason to assume otherwise.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources demonstrate significant, non-trivial coverage in independent, reliable sources - and therefore passes GNG. Particularly the entry in the Georgian national encyclopedia is convincing to me. If an editor who reads georgian is willing to check and confirm the sources, that would be really good. But in absence of any evidence that the sources are misrepresented we must assume good faith.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:ARTIST, WP:GNG. Quis separabit?  05:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you explain how a person with an article in the Georgian national encyclopedia fails GNG?·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , the problem is that it's not at all clear that it actually exists. We haven't been given a citation with actual publication data. Neither does the name of the article as it's been relayed suggest that it actually is about the man in question. In addition, as far as I can tell, there is no 2010 general edition of the Georgian Encylopedia see here, rather there was a general volume, "100 GEORGIANS EBROAD (2010)." (presumably that's a typo for "abroad" and since Songulashvili didn't even go abroad until 2014 there's no reason he would've been included. --Jahaza (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like to remind you that we have a policy called AGF. This means that your doubts about whether the source exists are not grounds for anything other than requesting the publication data. Regardless, a person who is considered one of the most significant 100 expatriates of their nation clearly passes the GNG.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:02, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You have missed an important part of the substance of the comment. Yes, "a person who is considered one of the most significant 100 expatriates of their nation clearly passes the GNG." However since Songulashvili didn't go abroad until 2014, he can't have been "one of the most significant 100 expatriates" in 2010 when the Encyclopedia volume was published.--Jahaza (talk) 15:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The page has been scanned and uploaded by GAC to demonstrate that Songulashvili is indeed found in the encyclopedia. GAC has already been required to go to greater lengths than policy requires to demonstrate the notability and the veracity of their sources.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 16:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Comment: There seems to be significant WP:COI concerns here. What is 's relation to the topic? The username violates the username policy (WP:ISU) and the pictures the user uploaded to commons are being considered for deletion there for various copyright and COI reasons and the user's statements there suggest some kind of relationship with the subject.--Jahaza (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I suggest you substantiate the COI accusations or strike them. Also you are forgetting some fundamental policies your self including AGF, and BITE. Someone editing from a National Art center about artists from their country is not haing a COI, but is providing a public service that Wikipedia needs - namely experts providing information about areas where the average wikipedian is not knowledgeable. If a new user violates the username policy the correctthing to do is to politely notify them about the policy so that they can request a name change. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * sed contra WP:AOBF--Jahaza (talk) 15:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Your bad faith is well substantiated in your own edit above - where without any evidence or motivation accuse another editor of fabricating sources and of editing with an undisclosed COI. That is the definition of assuming bad faith.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I already linked to evidence, the deletion discussion on Commons for the many works of the artist that the user uploaded as "own work". I phrased it neutrally by referring generically to "COI concerns" rather than directly accusing the user of having a conflict of interest. Please read the evidence provided.--Jahaza (talk) 15:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Deletion discussions at commons are not evidence of any of the concerns you have expressed - but simply attest to GAC being a new user who does not yet understand technical policies such as our copyright policies. The polite phrasing of an accusation has no bearing on the bad faith behind it. As for your concerns of fabricating sources GAC has now scanned and uploaded the page, and described what kind of source it is (it is more like an National Annuary than an encyclopedia, but regardlss it still attests to the independent notablity of whoever is featured in it).·maunus · snunɐɯ· 16:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Georgian Journal: "the first English-speaking news channel in Georgia, provided by the Palitra Media House - the largest independent publishing house in the country. With our brand new internet television site we are proud to serve both English-speaking audiences in Georgia and abroad with breaking stories and with features relevant to the English speaking community." - http://www.georgianjournal.ge/about-us.html P.S. You can delete the photo of the magazine as well, I just wanted to show the truth. Wikipedia needs an article about only notability artists, here it is and it does not matter I would create it or other, it would be created sooner or later. Sorry that I do not know all Wiki rules but for sure I know that the artist meets all the notability criteria.
 * Comment :·maunus, Here is one more, Lela Zurebiani's interview with Levan Songulashvili. The interview starts with the words: "This man has been a hot topic in Georgia for several weeks now"; "has already become a mini-celebrity of sorts"; "Young Georgian Maestro"... Is not it enough to prove the notability criteria?

"Sakhelebi" is annual Encyclopedia (since 2002), aimed at the President, government representatives, Georgian and foreign businessmen, politicians, other high officials and those working in the area of culture, as well as at any reader. Volume I comprises key information about Georgia, being interesting for the public, and about country's political, cultural and public life, which is of vital importance. Volume II is dedicated to "business-faces". Check out short information about the presentation of the encyclopedia: http://1tv.ge/en/news/view/11122.html If you have other concerns let me know, but there is no doubts that he is a notable artist in Georgia.

Thanks for your attention! - TornikeSani (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)TornikeSani·  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:11, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep as passes notability guidelines and has an international scope and recognition. Sad that the editors improving the article are being hassled here. Legacypac (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep passes WP:ARTIST. Also, per the notable sources and the above keep's! --MurderByDeletionism"bang!" 21:33, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources added by GeorgianArtCenter appear to show enough notability per WP:ARTIST. Potential conflict of interest issues isn't a discussion for AfD. clpo13(talk) 21:58, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

http://www.artpeoplegallery.com/levan-songulashvili/ Mr. Songulashvili was selected for the Summer 2016 edition of Studio Visit Magazine as well. It is time to make your final decision. TornikeSani (talk) 18:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC) TornikeSani
 * 'Comment ·Sandstein here is a recent article about Levan Songulashvili published by well-known - The Art People Gallery: https://www.facebook.com/artpeople1/posts/1034827123256270


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