Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levi Fetterman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to John Fetterman. Liz Read! Talk! 03:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Levi Fetterman
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This is just a dog owned by a notable politician. Not notable enough for its own Wikipedia page. Most sources are just passing mentions of Levi. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 01:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep (as article author) This nomination feels hasty. It was made 15 minutes after the article went up, within 5 minute of an edit and before I had even finished putting in content or external links. While it is true that most sources include passing mentions, that is not a justification to delete, because some are also not just passing mentions. I think we should keep it due to the multiple, independent, reliable sources where the subject of the article is the primary focus of the news articles that I list below. I think the significant coverage demonstrates notability as per WP:GNG
 * 1) https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/john-fetterman-fans-pa-democratic-senate-primary-20220420.html (ideal source, I think)
 * 2) https://theburgnews.com/in-the-burg/lucky-levi-how-a-chained-rescued-dog-became-the-official-dog-of-pennsylvania (does rely in interviews by the dog's owner, so some content lacks independence)
 * 3) https://www.abc27.com/digital-originals/pa-lt-governors-rescue-dog-becomes-twitter-comfort-canine/ (like above, relies on primary sources for some content)
 * In summary, I don't have the perfect three above, because two rely on quotes, but while that requires care for verifiability, it does not majorly detract from notability. I note the coverage is taking place over two years so far, with no reason to assume it will reduce. I don't like that this was nominated for deletion without me being notified, without any alternatives to deletion WP:ATD such as draftification or redirecting to Gisele Barreto Fetterman being considered, but more importantly, the subject meets the criteria for wikipedia = the general notability guidelines. CT55555 (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Keep or Merge? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. First two sources are enough to pass WP:GNG; not passing mentions. Poor Levi: chained up most of his life, then about to be put down in a shelter, and now his Wikipedia page is going to be deleted. And after just 15 minutes? We have a policy about not biting newcomers, don't we? :) BBQboffin (talk) 02:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per above discussion. There appear to be sufficient references to establish notability, and it's somewhat concerning how quickly this article was proposed for deletion. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep yes it's "just a dog", but it's been covered enough in reliable sources, which is the requirement here. — VersaceSpace  🌃 04:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal, Politics,  and Pennsylvania. Curbon7 (talk) 03:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to John Fetterman. There is some coverage but I don’t see a basis for a stand-alone article; this can be covered in the main article with this state-level news. Reywas92Talk 13:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to John Fetterman. As Reywas92 points out, the coverage is primarily local/state-level news stories. Not enough to qualify for a stand-alone article, in my estimation. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, and there are possible WP:RECENTISM issues to consider as well. I would suggest merging the core content to the "Personal life" section of the Fetterman page, where Levi is already mentioned. That would be enough to create a separate paragraph, or even a small sub-section, about him with a targeted redirect linking directly to it. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not aware of any guidance that depreciates local news. Are you? CT55555 (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No opinion on this, but WP:LOCAL is a good read for this. Generally, if something is exclusively covered in hyper-local media (think your local two-bit newspaper), it's probably not notable, even if that coverage is significant. Again, no opinion with this particular case. Curbon7 (talk) 04:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:LOCAL is indeed a good read, but this isn't a community or small town. Pennsylvania is the 5th largest state by population in the US. BBQboffin (talk) 05:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * WP:LOCAL might not apply here, but WP:N does. It defines notable topics as "those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time". I am not convinced the current level of coverage constitutes "significant attention by the world at large" as there seems to have been very little of it outside of Pennsylvania. The coverage has also not spanned a long enough period of time to establish independent notability, IMO. I reiterate that it is simply WP:TOOSOON for a stand-alone article. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 01:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to John Fetterman, while there does exist coverage in major newspapers such as The Philadelphia Inquirer, the coverage in these sources is of a passing nature and does not in my view constitute a sufficient amount to pass GNG. The other cited coverage is mostly very local in nature, and is not sufficient for a WP:SPLIT from the main article of John Fetterman. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to John Fetterman. This is a case where WP:GNG is met but is outweighed by WP:NOTNEWS, so WP:PAGEDECIDE's advice applies: . If Fetterman (the human) is elected to the U.S. Senate, or becomes a national figure by some other means, and Fetterman (the dog) becomes a major part of his public profile, an article may one day be viable. At present, this is covered in sufficient depth in the other article, to which we should point the interested reader. No material needs to be merged, in my opinion. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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