Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis County Jane Doe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:19, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Lewis County Jane Doe

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Topic fails WP:GNG. Entirely local news coverage with media performing a routine service of attempting to identify this individual. Wikipedia is not the news. Lacks WP:SUSTAINED coverage or coverage outside of what is routine. According to NAMUS, in the United States alone "it is estimated that 4,400 unidentified bodies are recovered each year, with approximately 1,000 of those bodies remaining unidentified after one year." In other words, this is not unusual in anyway. Wikipedia is not a database for unidentified bodies. (see ) 4meter4 (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Crime,  and Washington.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Selective merge per WP:ATD-M of the verifiable information in the article to List of unidentified murder victims in the United States. Beccaynr (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , I don't think a merge is the best choice. Even if it were, the body has not been conclusively identified as a murder victim (just a suspicious death) as the cause of death is unknown. Further, that list needs to be curated so that it is encyclopedic. Entries within that list of unidentified murder victims need to demonstrate sustained significant coverage beyond the normal news cycle. (i.e. those which have secondary and tertiary sources beyond just the news and primary sources). Not doing so makes that list unwieldy, and opens up the criteria of inclusion to potentially tens of thousands of unidentified bodies both recently and historically which are in the NAMUS and law enforcement database of cold cases. It already needs some weeding of content as it is. Further, Lewis County has many "Jane Does" in its cold case files, so the naming/labeling of the content is problematic. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * These are all excellent points,, and I was essentially thinking that whether and how the list should exist is a subject of a different discussion, either on that article's Talk page, or in a deletion discussion. I will continue thinking on this, and in the meantime, I appreciate your additional reasoning. Beccaynr (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am updating my !vote to delete after further review of the two reliable sources in the article (2018, hints at the possibility of a homicide, but specifically disclaims details due to an ongoing investigation),  (2021, more about the forensic investigation process generally than this case, but describes an 'active investigation' into the cause of death). There does not appear to be any support in reliable sources for the unsourced claims and speculation in the article. While the list would probably benefit from a renaming because 'murder' is a very specific and limiting term, it does not appear that this article subject can be clearly considered a 'homicide' and merged into the list at this time, and there is insufficient WP:SUSTAINED coverage to support a standalone article, as further described in WP:NOTNEWS. Beccaynr (talk) 13:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Agree with assessment above. No sustained coverage, unsure if it's a murder. It's a body, could have died from natural causes. Oaktree b (talk) 00:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Beccaynr. Iseult   Δx parlez moi 01:28, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


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