Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Li Sheng (artist)


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Li Sheng (artist)

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Notability. The person is real, at least as far as the baidu page indicates. His name, and the name of the painting (which also exists, although the link is dead) produce a grand total of zero relevant hits on google and gnews, including searches of "Li Sheng", "Li Sheng (Yuan artist)", “李升”，“李升 畫家”, corrsp. in simplified, etc. JSTOR also gives nothing. He doesn't even have a page on zh wiki. Fermiboson (talk) 04:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have refreshed the link to the museum site's coverage of his famous painting. See also the coverage of the artist and this work in the Yuan Li Sheng "Farewell to Dianshan" section of this article. AllyD (talk) 08:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and China. AllyD (talk) 08:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I found a few references to Li Sheng in a paper in Japanese. There's also an article on Sohu. There seems to be another artist named 李升 who lived during the late Tang to Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period who is mentioned in and . Mucube (talk • contribs) 02:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to keep per the sources found by Cunard. Mucube (talk • contribs) 02:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The book notes: "Li Sheng's Parting at Lake Tien, dated 1346, in the Shanghai Museum, roughly contemporary to T'ang Ti's Fishermen Returning and Returning Fishermen, adopts the same spatial plan in the main peak and lower half of the surrounding area. Li Sheng's work should be thought of in connection to the Li-Kuo painters of the Yüan, as following the same models: the landscape paintings of the Hua-pei school. Li Sheng adopted this for part of his handscroll; the present painting adapts the coloring technique of the Chiang-nan school to a large format."  The book notes: "Li Sheng 李升 t. Tzu-yün 子雲, h. Tzu-yün-sheng 紫質生. From Hao-liang. Active at the end of the Yüan dynasty. Painted bamboo, rocks, and landscapes. H, 5. M. p 197." The book lists works of Li Sheng at Shanghai Museum; Taipei, Palace Museum; National Museum, Stockholm; and Mr. and Mrs. A. Dean Perry, Cleveland.  The article notes: "Li Sheng, a painter in the Yuan dynasty, was good at painting landscape and bamboo. This piece of work is one of the few authentic works of Li Sheng handed down. ... As recorded, Li Sheng lived a secular life at the Dianshan Lake side and built a Dianshan Cottage."  The article notes: "However, a painting titled "Seeing Off a Friend by the Dian Lake" created by Li Sheng from the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) shows a rare ancient landscape of Shanghai. Stretching in front of the viewers are the extended mountains lined with trees and hills. A small river zigzags in between.  It is hardly convincing that what's in the painting is the Dianshan Lake in today's Qingpu District, because the landscape is so different from the existing vast lake scene." There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Li Sheng to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 02:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC) </ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - I added a citation and tweaked the article a bit for wikification. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: I previous held of from a keep/delete opinion, as I was wondering whether if there was a single surviving work in a museum it might be better served by consolidating the artist and the work in a single article. However with the identification of further sources, and further works in Taipei, Stockholm and Cleveland, I think there is enough for WP:NARTIST #4. AllyD (talk) 20:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


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