Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Li Yan (artist)


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The result was Nomination withdrawn‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ in this edit Star   Mississippi  13:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Li Yan (artist)

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Withdrawn per WP:HEY and the sources brought by Cunard. -I'm unable to find reliable sourcing in an online BEFORE search on this artist. There is another artist with the same name but born long before this one, their work is very different. All I am seeing is social media or user-submitted content, or work by the other Li Yan. The article as it stands is sourced solely to the "Saatchi Gallery" website; this is user submitted content as any artist anywhere can submit their work to this commercial website; it is not the same as Charles Saatchi's collection. Therefore it does not contribute to notability. The External link is his own website. Does not pass WP:GNG, nor WP:NARTIST. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Arts, Visual arts,  and China. Netherzone (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Tentative delete. I can't rule out that there might be notability in Chinese language sources that I can neither find nor read but there is no Chinese language article so I can't assume that. Based on what we have here it looks like notability is not demonstrated. None of those solo exhibitions look like they confer enough notability. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * While there's no one whose judgement I trust more on ARTicles (pun absolutely intended ;-)) than Netherzone, I'm pinging in the event they can help with Chinese sourcing as both editors' specialties overlap here. I currently fall in the same camp as nom and DanielRigal in that I'm not finding sourcing, but want to see if we can determine whether there is non English sourcing.  Star   Mississippi  14:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the ping, ! Cunard (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in  that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Sources  Selection of two sources:  The article notes: "For 31-year-old Beijing painter Li Yan, news is a muse, and in "Quotidian Truths," his first solo U.S. show, Li explores the various intersections between Chinese sports and politics. In seven painting clusters, called "Snippets," Li relies on splintered details to get at larger truths. ... The artist culls images from television and newspapers, then disembodies them, stripping photos of captions and other contextualizing information and reinterpreting them in acrylics, which he clusters according to a new, internally devised logic. Juxtapositions spark new connections and meanings. ... For Li's most recent Beijing show, "Accident," he set his sights on examining the war in Iraq and the wider issue of terrorism. For the new series, which will be presented in three installments, sports was a natural choice."  The article notes: "Die Augen müssen sich erst eingewöhnen. Die Szenen des chinesischen Malers Li Yan, 1977 in der Provinz Jilin geboren, spielen auf kleinem Format. Schmal rechteckige Blicke in das Innere des zentral gesteuerten Riesenreiches. Was wir sehen, ist wenig verheißungsvoll. Auch erst im Bau befindliche Gebäude zeigen sich in ihrem Inneren bereits dem Verfall nahe. ... Mehr noch, da der in Peking lebende Li Yan schon rein technisch mit Inhalten spielt, den Farbauftrag eigentümlich roh hält – gerade so, als sei dieser schon wieder abgekratzt worden. ... So gewinnen die Bilder von Li Yan, auf den ersten Blick in Gefahr, zu einfach lesbar zu sein, zunehmend an Kraft. Sie überraschen, gerade auch dadurch, weil sie nicht überwältigen." From Google Translate: "The eyes have to get used to it. The scenes by the Chinese painter Li Yan, born in Jilin Province in 1977, are set in a small format. Narrow rectangular views into the interior of the centrally controlled vast empire. What we see is not very promising. Even buildings that are just under construction are already close to decay on the inside. ... Li Yan's images, which at first glance appear to be in danger of being too easy to read, become increasingly powerful. They surprise, especially because they don't overwhelm." </li> <li>Other sources:<ol> <li> The article discusses his solo exhibition Accident at the Platform China art gallery in Beijing. The article notes: "表現戰爭的影像，文字，並不等於戰爭本身. 殘酷的影像，畫面也不等於殘酷. 索性把看得見，摸不到的影像畫面拆解開，打碎，重新組織在一起，呈現出一個關於事件的圖畫，關於事件的色彩，關於事件的形式. " From Google Translate: "The images and words that express war are not equal to the war itself. Cruel images, pictures do not mean cruel. Simply dismantle the visible but intangible images, break them into pieces, and reorganize them together to present a picture of the event, the color of the event, and the form of the event."</li> <li> Libor Sečka, the article's author, was the ambassador of the Czech Republic to China from 2009 to 2015. In the article, he calls Li Yan a "friend" so the author may not be independent. The article notes: "Li Yan is a reporter, chronicler, catcher, who mercilessly inscribes into his paintings all that is unusual, unexpected, destructive and cruel. All that got out of the traditional order and control. All that in one second changed the lives not only of individuals, but of hundreds and thousands in misfortune and disaster. He is not only interested in the dynamics and internal tension of a moment, but also in the silence that follows. He gives testimony about the human suffering of today, as well as about places where events took place and about their atmosphere, one would even want to say mood."</li> <li> The article notes: "For work by promising Contemporary artists Wolfgang Stiller, Li Yan (Chinese, b.1977), and Jose Castiella, head over to Python Gallery."</li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Li Yan to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You're amazing! Netherzone (talk) 05:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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