Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lia Szepes


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The result was   delete. Secret account 05:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Lia Szepes

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Originally a WP:PROD but thought I'd bring it here for additional views. A 1930s Hungarian actress who was the female lead in several films, and may possibly satisfy #1 of the entertainer guideline. On the other hand, largely unsourced so may simply fail WP:GNG, noting that sources on pre-War Hungarian cinema are most likely in hard copy and a little hard to find. Views welcome either way. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC) Euryalus (talk) 20:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. A difficult article, there is going to be very little on the net and even less in English. However I did find a source in the New York Times confirming her role in Marika, see here. JTdale   Talk 05:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 06:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 06:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment [see vote, below] . I hope someone had more luck than I. Other than tantalizingly very brief mentions in several books (which seem to confirm her roles in Modern Girls and Mother), I found nothing reliable. One link leads to what appears to be something like IMDb. Translate the text with Google, and it says that Szepes was in only three films "...because since 1940 it banned the act (had some Jewish ancestry)" and "In 1948, she left Hungary and allegedly went to Australia, where after it lost track." If she had major roles in some notable films, that might do the trick, but it appears that the three films she was in currently lack proof of notability (even though they have blue links). I have the bad feeling that there's probably enough to show the films have notability - somewhere - but that I'm never going to find it. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention -- I didn't find an article in the Hungarian Wikipedia, so no sources there.--Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * * Another vague mention here; but I searched TROVE and the British Newspaper Archives, neither have any mention of her.  JTdale   Talk 10:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment In the Hungarian Performing Arts Encyclopedia there's a very short article about her . It mostly confirms what that "imdb like" article stated (in which theatre she played, what her bigger roles were, the emigration to Australia). There's also a thread about her in a Hungarian theatre portal, which is like a forum so it's rather unreliable according to the terms of Wikipedia, but there they confirm that she had only these 3 movies, and they mention that one had a talk with her cousin who told since she moved to Australia they don't know what's going on with her. Would be a really hard nut to write a real article I think. Thehoboclown (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. See my comment section, above. I feel a little bad about this one, but as near as I can tell, Lia Szepes was in three films, none of which have demonstrated notability (despite having articles). If I felt confident that there were reliable paper sources somewhere that had in depth coverage/reviews, I'd be inclined to remain neutral. However, it's beginning to seem that she was an actress for a brief time, and never managed to achieve notability. C'mon, you Hungarian film lovers, prove me wrong. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of meeting WP:ENTERTAINER. Maybe there's something out there, somewhere, that demonstrates notability in relation to our guidelines, but we can't base notability off of theoretical sources, and the commendable efforts of people here to uncover sources lend further credence to the idea that there just might not be anything to be found. Canadian   Paul  16:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


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