Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liam Kelly (musician)


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The result was   redirect to Dervish (band). (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Liam Kelly (musician)

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Non notable as far as I can tell -- simply being a member of a notable band does not, without more, make one notable by wp purposes and does not therefore make a stand-alone article appropriate. Epeefleche (talk) 05:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * merge - His bio could be included on the band's page. No evidence of personal notability Bali88 (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of what is in those two short sentences is not supported by the ref, so not subject to merge, though a redirect may well work. Epeefleche (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment – I am indifferent to the inclusion of a dedicated article apart from Dervish, but I do maintain the subject's notability. Some sources I've found offering insight to Kelly himself include Irish Music Magazine, his solo work cataloged at Allmusic, and the primary source at dervish.ie. I will also note that the latter may have been closely paraphrazed in previous revisions of the article. &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 03:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Musik. A few questions.  The primary source doesn't count towards notability, I believe.  And Allmusic doesn't have a bio on him -- as it does on more notable musicians, as best I can see ... is that correct? Just the equivalent of discogs.  And as to Irish Music Magazine -- I have trouble finding the editorial review necessary to categorize it as an RS -- am I missing it somewhere? --Epeefleche (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The primary source may be used to support simple things not WP:LIKELY to be challenged, such as where the subject is from. My reference to Allmusic was merely to say that we could credibly list the subject's discography. Discogs is user-submitted content, so not quite the same. I am clueless as to the reliability of Irish Music Magazine, but it's clear it can be considered a third-party. In the end, we need to show that subject is notable apart from the band, which admittedly may be questionable. The Leitrim Observer looks good. If more reliable sources can be found covering his solo work, that should suffice. Otherwise per WP:BAND a redirect to Dervish (band) is the most reasonable. &mdash; MusikAnimal talk 01:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dervish (band). The subject may arguably meet WP:BASIC per Irish Music Magazine, Leitrim Observer, but the Leitrim Observer article may not have quite enough coverage. In this manner, overall available coverage about the subject may not be enough to cross the WP:BASIC threshold. Since there isn't anything to merge, !voting to redirect. If more sources are found, please ping me here or notify me on my user talk page. NorthAmerica1000 07:05, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect, as per WP:MUSICBIO;
 * "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated they are independently notable" Murry1975 (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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