Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Libby Babet


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The result was redirect to The Biggest Loser Australia (season 11). (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 15:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Libby Babet

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She is just an unnotable reality-television contestant. Grahame (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep. WP:ENTERTAINER Libby Babet is the trainer/host of The Biggest Loser Australia, replacing well-known fitness expert and TV personality Michelle Bridges. The Biggest Loser is one of Australia's top rating TV shows. There are 98,000 results when searching for "Libby Babet" of which, having checked the first 10 pages, I suspect most if not all are related to this Libby Babet.

- Tyrone28 (talk) 12:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


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 * Delete, not a contestant, but still not notable. I have not been able to find anything on Babet that is independent and substantial, although this job is made difficult by the enormous amount of marketing fluff that has been generated about and around her, and printed in the TV pages.  Would not object to a redirect to The Biggest Loser Australia (season 11) as a plausible search term.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC).


 * Keep User already !voted . I'm new here so apologies if I'm off track but here are some more references. Can we also cite printed references? Libby will be on the cover of Women's Fitness Magazine (115K readership) in April with a feature story about her. If this isn't what you mean by independent and substantial could you please clarify?

Tyrone28 (talk) 04:04, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well sure, lets go through these one by one:
 * http://fitness.edu.au/top-16-influencers-of-fitness-and-nutrition/ - Brief mention and not independent (Babet is on the AIF payroll)
 * http://creative.news.com.au/WEB_QLD/BN_Flipbook/latest-issue/#page/8 - Promotional piece for The Biggest Loser. I live in Brisbane and I've never heard of this "Brisbane News" so I'm not sure it's a reliable source either.
 * http://www.morrissey.com.au/portfolio_page/libby-babet/ - no content, not independent
 * https://www.lifestyle.com.au/libbybabet/ - not substantial, looks promotional
 * http://www.wiredforwonder.com/archive/2015/libby-babet-1 - Word for word identical to the marketing fluff in the above link
 * https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/30587463/this-years-top-fitness-fads/#page1 - Babet appears but the segment is not about her
 * Demonstrating notability isn't about the quantity of sources, it's about their quality, and I'm just not seeing the quality needed here. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:43, 25 March 2017 (UTC).

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947  06:27, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the feedback, here's some more information:
 * http://fitness.edu.au/top-16-influencers-of-fitness-and-nutrition/ - I can confirm Libby has not been and is not on the payroll for AIF which is Australia's largest fitness educator which I thought would qualify it as a significant and reliable source.
 * http://creative.news.com.au/WEB_QLD/BN_Flipbook/latest-issue/#page/8 - Brisbane News is owned by News.com.au and has a readership of 100K in Brisbane.
 * https://www.lifestyle.com.au/libbybabet/ - Lifestyle is part of Foxtel and Libby is an independent writer for this online channel as she is for numerous online channels such as Yahoo!7, Scoopla, the HIT Network / Austereo and News.com.au. Lifestyle is one of the top ranked sites in Australia receiving around 500K hits per month.
 * http://www.wiredforwonder.com/archive/2015/libby-babet-1 - Wired for Wonder is a Commonwealth Bank event that invites speakers of note from around the world. This link shows Libby as one of their speakers.

Here's another link I found:
 * http://nationalachieverscongress.com.au/speakers.html?ls= - Libby is speaking alongside Anthony Robbins at a major event in Sydney and Melbourne

I assume printed sources are just as valid as online? For example, how can I reference various profiles in major magazines such as Who, OK! and Women's Fitness Magazine? Would being profiled in significant print publications qualify as independent and quality references?

Tyrone28 (talk) 10:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There's heaps of speaking engagements here, but you're not showing me anything that amounts of substantial coverage of Babet herself that hasn't been paid for. She's got a good publicist obviously, but an advertorial piece in a "lifestyle magazine" is not reliable coverage.  I have to ask, what is your connection (if any) with Babet or The Biggest Loser?  Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:33, 29 March 2017 (UTC).

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I will relist this. The reference lists make this AFD a mess to look at yet there's only been 2 contributions beyond the nominator, which are split. Lots of links and evidence but no consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KaisaL (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Zero participation since last relist.
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2017 April 1.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 04:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 04:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect per Lankiveil's 19 March suggestion. I don't see anything establishing independent notability just yet, and given the performance of the show there's a possibility there never will be any, but for now it seems to make sense to include a brief background in the article on the series in question. If/when her career takes off, there's no prejudice towards re-creating an independent article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:28, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect (cleaning out the Relisted 3 times or more cat) Would not object to a redirect per Lankiveil L3X1 (distant write)  14:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Responding to Lankiveil none of the coverage is paid coverage, Libby does not have a publicist and I am part of Libby's team. As I said, there are numerous magazine articles in print, including covers of major magazines which are independent (not about Biggest Loser) that I cannot reference here as they are not available online. Surely offline references are just as valid as online? Tyrone28 (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Biggest Loser Australia (season 11); not independently notable per available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect - (to The Biggest Loser Australia (season 11)) As above, I cannot find sufficient sources to justify independent notability. --Jack Frost (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


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