Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liberal catholic apostolic church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Notability concerns. -Scottywong | prattle _ 16:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Liberal catholic apostolic church

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Non-notable organization. The only independent reliable source I can find that even mentions it is this, which only mentions it in passing. Also vaguely promotional, although I don't think it's bad enough to delete on those grounds alone. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC) All that said, WP:NONPROFIT needs scope PLUS sources. , and I didn't find anything in G scholar or G books or G news under the new name. I found five hits in Google books but the sources need to be investigated further (only one of them is unambiguously the right ref and it's just a biographical note). Will need to be searched under old names as well. What sources did the nom search and under what names? --Lquilter (talk) 20:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note - This article was previously created in 2011 and 2012 and deleted as copyvio & advertising. See Liberal Catholic Apostolic Church and Special:Undelete/Liberal_Catholic_Apostolic_Church.  --Lquilter (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's linked from the Liberal Catholic Movement article and associated template here in Wikipedia. Anyway, the article needs rescuing, but in my judgment the organization is likely notable, if references can be found.  WP:NONPROFIT needs sources plus national/international scope.  According to the article here and the organizational website, it is international in scope.  A plus under WP:NONPROFIT is longevity, and this church has a 60-year history (it stems from a 2008 merger of an org founded in 1950 and another founded in 1999. so has longevity under WP:ORG.
 * I looked through generic Google hits (with various permutations of quotes and excluded websites) and HighBeam (note that I don't have a HighBeam account, though I don't think that restricts your search results), in addition to Google News. Highbeam turned up only the article I linked to in the nom statement and a letter to the same newspaper about the same article. I completely agree that the subject could be notable if sources were found, but right now, that seems like a pretty big "if"; it currently doesn't even pass GNG. :/ I did only search for the current name as used in the article ("liberal catholic apostolic church"); I'll try rerunning searches based on other names. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 20:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As for the books that you found, I think at least two are false positives ("one holy catholic and apostolic Church" is a significant phrase in mainstream Catholicism, and will probably do that); they date from 1891 and 1966, and are on unrelated topics. Of the two that remain, The Path of the Blue Raven looks like it's probably no more than a mention in passing, and the Gerald Gardner one is purportedly about Wicca, so I doubt that'll have much that's relevant. The last, Independent bishops: an international directory, might have something, but I can't see enough in the preview to be sure. Looks promising, but even then, I doubt that it alone will be enough for much in the way of notability... Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 21:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looked like they might not be applicable. --Lquilter (talk) 23:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable after some rigorous searching. The name is difficult to work with; you have to hand them that. --Qwerty Binary (talk) 21:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  TheSpecialUser TSU 01:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I did not comment first time around becasue I could not be bothered to research it. The lack of positive response itself suggests that it is NN.  Google searches come up with a number of different churches, but how they are related is unclear to me.  I found several websites, each purportedly a denomination, but I seriously wonder whether they are single churches or even individual clergy mascarading as a denomination.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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