Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liesel Litzenburger


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The result was keep. Consensus for keeping this article. (non-admin closure) Kpg  jhp  jm  04:30, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Liesel Litzenburger

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Fails WP:AUTHOR. She has written two books that rank around 7-8million on Amazon. Little independent coverage found. Most of the ELs in the article are even DLs. MB 20:57, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep WP:AUTHOR says nothing about Amazon ranking, but it does describe notability for someone who has created "a well-known work or collective body of work" that has been the subject of "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". So, an author who has written multiple books that have been reviewed in not only Publishers Weekly and Kirkus Reviews  but also The New York Times, the Chicago Tribune , and Entertainment Weekly  would certainly seem to qualify under WP:AUTHOR. Bakazaka (talk) 23:36, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve AfD is not cleanup. In addition to the URLs mentioned by Bakazaka, Martha Stewart has a short-short by LL, calls her a "prize-winning novelist." Let's do the BEFORE before an AfD. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:10, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the sources identified above by Bakazaka, it appears she easily passes criteria #3 of WP:AUTHOR. PohranicniStraze (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per above discovery of the sources. — MapSGV (talk) 13:20, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The Amazon ranking was meant to suggest there is no "well known body of work". Pointing out the number of DLs in the article is to suggest the author is not that well known either as there tends to be an obvious correlation. If a keep is based solely upon "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews", then such "reviews" should be examined in detail. The "reviews" in Publishers Weekly, Kirkus Reviews don't seem to be reviews at all; they lack comment by the "reviewer" and seem to be just a synopsis of the book - more of a press-release by the publisher for promotional purposes. The The New York Times review gives some actual commentary on the book, so that should count. I can't make judgement on the others since there are no links given. The Martha Stewart "short-short" is written by the author, the only thing said by Stewart is the rather vague mention that she is "a prize-winning novelist" without explaining just what this prize is. All I see here that is one review in the NYT and a lot of self-promotion. I don't think this is keeping with the intent of WP:AUTHOR at all.MB 15:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment re "self-promotion," social media presence and other outreach to readers are typical of many notable authors (e.g. Cory Doctorow and Neil Gaiman). Self promotion is not a character flaw or evidence for lack of notability. HouseOfChange (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * If a "review" is really a press-release in disguise, is clearly promotional, is not independent (being a synopsis provided by the author/publisher), how can that be evidence of notability (WP:NOTPROMO)). The fact that notable authors promote themselves does not make all authors that do so notable. MB 00:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Classic case of failure of Nom to run a WP:BEFORE. Articles just needs sourcing, improvement.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)


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