Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lieve Fransen


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Lieve Fransen

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Subject fails WP:GNG: career is non-notable; text has not been referenced; much of the article is puffery. MB190417 (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I recognise a poor state of an article does not constitute grounds for deletion - but it gives a sense of how well-maintained an article is (and thus how notable the subject is), especially given this article is 9 years old. MB190417  (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  MB190417  (talk) 22:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions.  MB190417  (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per RebeccaGreen (thanks Rebecca!). --MrClog (talk) 20:15, 24 July 2019 (UTC) Delete - Have not been able to find any independent reliable sources with SIGCOV. --MrClog (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I am currently searching for and adding sources. I do not see puffery in the article as it stands, it just says what she has done - and anyway, if there were puffery, that could be addressed. There is certainly information about her in histories of public health policies, safe blood supplies, STIs and HIV/AIDS work - it requires digging, though. I will keep looking and adding more sources as I find them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * RebeccaGreen, thank you for taking the time to find more sources and improve the article. A recent edit has addressed most of the puffery, which mostly came from a quasi-WikiQuote 'Quotes from Speeches' section. MB190417  (talk) 09:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I am continuing to add sources. I believe that she meets WP:ANYBIO, having received two significant awards, the National Order of the Lion of Senegal (I have fixed the link in the article so it's no longer a redlink), and also the Jonathan Mann Award for Health and Human Rights. We could argue about whether these awards are "well-known" - I'd be pretty sure that the Senegalese one is well-known in Senegal, and it seems to be a high-level award. Admittedly, I have not yet found an independent source for it, even googling it in French - 1990s media from Senegal may not be online. (I have just been through the edit history to check when and by whom the dates of the awards were added, and I see the resumé-like content and what looks like COI editing by one or more people close to the subject. The article itself is not looking too bad now, but the external links still need pruning!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep agree with User:RebeccaGreen. Thanks to Rebecca. BurmesePokemon (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG, article now reflects this, thanks to . Coolabahapple (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep now meets WP:ANYBIO .E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


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