Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lifespan timeline of Presidents of Ukraine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Lifespan timeline of Presidents of Ukraine

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This article should be deleted like List of Presidents of Ukraine by longevity because it is just a graphical version of that list. The page should be deleted because the page fails WP:N as the underlying concept is not notable and the info can be found at the main article. -KAP03Talk 23:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as it is indeed a single graphics file -- violating WP:NOTIMAGE -- that does indeed appear to duplicate List of Presidents of Ukraine by longevity. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - graphical duplication of recently deleted article Spiderone  06:37, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  09:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Make it clear to me. First of all, I didn't know about the recently-deleted List of Presidents of Ukraine by longevity. I'n not the author of it, nor a socketpuppet of the one who created that article. I don't know what's the content, is it like List of Portuguese Presidents by longevity, List of Italian Presidents by longevity, and the rest? Can someone present me the content? If that article's content is same to those article examples I have presented to you, why have you deleted that article and don't care about the others?~  Manila's Poging  Juan  09:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Secondly, this graphical timeline is partnered after Lifespan timeline of Presidents of the United States and the rest. There is a timeline then only one or two references are enough, the Lifespan timeline of Presidents of the United States has no references at all while this one has at least one reference. Then what's the sense of endorsing the deletion of this 'lifespan graphical timeline' article? If you endorse the deletion of this one, do you also have guts to endorse also the deletion of some of the rest? ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  09:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; we can't use the existence of these articles to justify the notability of this one. For the record, I think that those articles that you've linked are equally failing the general notability guideline. Spiderone  09:53, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I do see that we have an entire category Category:Graphical timelines for such "graphical timelines," which I frankly thought were contra-policy. As they are not, I've removed my objection to this one. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all the country leader timelines (and the one for Tamil Nadu too). I fail to see the purpose of this exercise, except to make pretty graphics. Leaders lived before and (usually) after their term(s) in office. So? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment (1) Can you link that 'one for Tamil Nadu? (2) So you mean all of the rest do not deserve an article? I think there are no Wikipedia policies stated that a lifespan timeline of leaders do not deserve an article? Well, the fact that there is a reference (WP:REF) supporting the article (Lifespan timeline of Presidents of the United States) and the birth year and death year of the country's leaders of the lifespan timeline supports the timeline is fine. ~  Manila's Poging  Juan  10:52, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * (1) Graphical list of chief ministerial tenures and important events of Tamil Nadu isn't even for a country. (2) Yes, especially the absurdly goofy Lifespan timeline of heirs and pretenders to the Romanian throne and Lifespan timeline of Romanian royal consorts. Just because there's no policy expressly prohibiting X doesn't mean it's notable. And maybe there's one out there; they are so many of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, delete the rest of them too and propose changing the wording of WP:NOTIMAGE to clarify that "no accompanying text" means (referring to the second sentence) no accompanying encyclopedic context. Commons is a repository of images; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. This is an image; not an encyclopedia article. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: see this discussion regarding the guideline. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Move (1) While y'all suggest that this graphical timeline be delete, I have a nicer suggestion. Why just can't we move it to President of Ukraine and make a subtitle named, Lifespan timeline of Presidents of Ukraine or simply Lifespan timeline This can be a great contribution to the article where it will be moved. The effort and time lent to make this timeline will not be wasted, then. It is because, I think that the timeline is not useless, it's just that it's lack of text and it can correspond to President of Ukraine article. What do you think, guys? (2) I also suggest that there must be a discussion with of course, the admins about the inclusion or non-inclusion of Lifespan timelines and Graphical timelines of the head of country or smaller units. (e.g, lifespan timeline of...).~  Manila's Poging  Juan  09:17, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - No notability. Unless presidents of Ukraine are, uniquely, taken out the back and shot once they reach a certain age or serve for a certain timeperiod, or there is some other significant aspect connected only to the lifespan of Presidents of Ukraine, none of this seems in any way notable and all the content is really just an OR graphic. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 17:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence that this is significant at all, let alone encyclopaedically significant. I can imagine that there might be an encyclopaedic discussion on comparison of age at start of presidency and length of term, or about the longevity of presidents compared to some other group of Ukrainians. However this chart (which will get even more unwieldy in the future) will not be relevant to either of those topics. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Presidents of Ukraine or a similar article. No sense leaving a clickbait redlink and redirects are cheap.  This is, essentially, an image and as such is inadequate for a stand-alone article.  Wikipedia is not a scrapbook.   Montanabw (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


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