Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lightyear (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per WP:SNOW. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Lightyear (film)

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Lightyear (film)

Unreleased film that does not satisfy film notability. The article and its references do not provide independent significant coverage of the film. The guideline on future films states that films do not satisfy notability if they have not completed production. Neither this article nor the references state that animation (which is the equivalent of principal photography) has been completed. Because the film has not been produced, this is too soon, even if films that are in or out of production are notable (which is a matter of contention). An analysis of the references is not necessary, but none of the references provide independent secondary coverage. This is a Pixar film, and Pixar has enthusiastic fans, but Wikipedia requires notability in addition to enthusiasm, and this article does not satisfy the notability guidelines. As an alternative to deletion, this article should be:
 * Moved back to draft space until the film is released.
 * Redirected to Toy Story (franchise). Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Draft in the spirit of our two policies WP:PRESERVE and WP:CRYSTAL we should send to draft. A draft could satisfy both policies. The user could improve and add reliable sources as they bccome available; and If the film newer happens the article never gets to main space. Lightburst (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NFP. KidAd  •  SPEAK  02:08, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment No where does WP:NFILM state that animated films must be completed; it states, "reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process," which is the case with this film. This reasoning for deleting the article should be disregarded. -- The Man Known as Rektroth (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per KidAid. -- Rockstone  [Send me a message!]  02:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Franchise grossed 3b so we know they will release it. I just read this in our guide saying it passes if the final animation frames are actively being drawn and/or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced. so I will change my ivote. Thanks. Lightburst (talk) 02:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * -- if you're changing your vote, you can withdraw this nomination and close it. -- Rockstone  [Send me a message!]  05:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - is the nominator. Lightburst (talk) 13:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Didn't the guidelines for notability used to be that the film was in production and widely discussed by multiple sources? With this new trailer, this film obviously satisfies both conditions. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 02:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Clearly satisfies film notability guidelines, especially given the release of the trailer. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Obviously satisfies the guidelines and should not be deleted. Fanowaty (talk) 06:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep discussed by multiple reliable sources, meets guidelines for WP:NFF. Donald D23   talk to me  12:08, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I have no idea where you keep coming up with the claim that a film is not notable until it's released. You must be misinterpreting something in WP:NFF. I'll check the page later to fix any issues. Iamnoahflores (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment to User:Iamnoahflores - No, I have probably read the film guidelines as many times as anyone. The film guidelines are poorly written and have been controversial since 2008.  They state that a film that has not been released is only notable if production itself has been notable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Re the nomination, WP:NFF says "commenced" not "completed", with regards to production; however, that seems to conflict with the other guidance in the same section about production needing to be notable, as you pointed out here. clpo13(talk) 17:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, I'll check WP:NFF later to edit any conflicting or confusing statements. Iamnoahflores (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep It's a movie with potential notoriety. According to WP:NFP, even if the article does not meet all the requirements of the notoriety criteria, it is possible to maintain it. WP:CRYSTAL can only be invoked when the film is mere speculation and has no valid reference about its production. See WP:NFF. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per all arguments above. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per discussion above, I would also agree with that this movie will eventually gain prominence. Anonymous1941 (talk) 20:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I understand the very narrow argument that NFF suggests unreleased films where the production itself has not been notable, should not have articles. But the inherent absurdity of this AfD suggests that it's the policy that should be changed, rather than blindly following policy and deleting an article for a major film that has been the subject of 50+ news articles in the last day. 74.203.51.90 (talk) 21:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep With the teaser trailer being released just two days ago, there's no way this doesn't meet notability standards. No time to let it stand like the present. Songwaters (talk) 01:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a ridiculous AFD. There's a trailer for the film already and multiple articles about it. It is notable. 122.106.215.3 (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep meets the general notability guidelines.  D r e a m Focus  03:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.