Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lil Keed


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Reviewing the comments and policy based opinions, it's clear that the consensus at this time is keep. (non-admin closure) Dusti*Let's talk!* 05:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Lil Keed

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Subject is an upcoming American rapper. Sources are not IRS. He started his music career in 2018 and has not achieve any prominent in music industry. Fails to meet WP:MUSICBIO  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 06:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 06:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * *Comment -I oppose because Lil Keed's brother Lil Gotit has his own page, and Keed has just as many views as Gotit. Thus Keed also collaborated with well known Musical artists and is gaining views, so I oppose deletion. This is User:Proudpakistani11 73.74.141.157 (talk) 18:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * *Comment - Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED - his brother has a page does not automatically gives the right for Keed to have his page in Wikipedia. Collaborating with well-know artists does not statisfy the notability requirements either.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 11:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep – Meets WP:GNG. Coverage in reliable sources including Complex, TheFader, XXL, HotNewHipHop, Elevator Magazine and Pitchfork. StaticVapor message me!   23:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * *Comment - None of the sources provided are either independent or reliable
 * (1) Complex - is not a reliable site, no series  reputation editorial site for fact-checking and accuracy like Rolling Stones. The sites in various affiliate marketing programs, getting paid commission on purchases made through the site links.
 * (2 & 3 & 5)TheFader, XXL and Elevator Magazine - are an interview articles which make the source not indepedent as the info obtained is from the subject himself.
 * (4) HotNewHipHop is a musician subscription site and a "promotional powerhouse" - not such the source is not reliable.
 * (6) Pitchfork - the editor of the article is a contributor who is a university student who would like to pursue a journalism career in future - she is not a legit journalist and the source/article is not reliable.
 * <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 11:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment You are factually incorrect in your analysis of these sources. All qualify as reliable sources and they cover him or his music. StaticVapor message me!   19:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - Something is wrong with that analysis of sources by CASSIOPEIA. First, it is full of typos in a fashion uncharacteristic for that editor. More importantly: Complex, Fader, Pitchfork, and XXL are all listed as reliable sources at WikiProject Albums/Sources, so they can be assumed to know what they're doing with artist articles as well. And saying that a young beginning journalist is not "legit" smacks of elitism, especially when that person works at a reliable publication with proper editing and management. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:53, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * For the record, HotNewHipHop was just discussed at WT:ALBUMS, with clear consensus that it is a reliable source. StaticVapor message me!   19:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

*Comment - to be merit a page in Wikipedia, significant coverage (multiple sources) with independent, reliable sources to support the content claimed is needed. Note, it the sources is reliable, it also has to be independent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CASSIOPEIA (talk • contribs)
 * Enough coverage exists in reliable sources to merit an article. WP:GNG. StaticVapor message me!   20:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - See my comment above on reliable sources, in which this rapper has a few introductory articles. Those media mentions are indeed brief and some are reliant on interviews in which the rapper merely talks about himself, but the coverage shows some minor notice in the hip hop community, perhaps enough for a stub here. If the article is kept, promotional language needs to be removed, and I would not argue with anyone voting to delete under the WP:TOOSOON standard. But previous delete arguments based on suitability of sources are not convincing. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 17:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Notability is the guidelines. For a artist to have minor media coverage and the sources are either not reliable or not independent - that fails the notability guidelines. It is WP:TOOSOON. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CASSIOPEIA (talk • contribs)
 * Delete when an article says someone is upcoming that means right now they are not yet notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: per DOOMSDAYER520 and a Google search provides reliable sources to support notability, passes WP:MUSICBIO through this. The subject is also signed to a notable record label. Ceethekreator (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)]
 * KeepSigned to a famous lable, is almost upcoming and is famous enough, this is 73.74.141.157.
 * Comment Pls see WP:MUSICBIO which lead to Major labels and YSL Records has only about 10 artist, it is not considered a major record labble - Subject is WP:TOOSOON. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CASSIOPEIA (talk • contribs)
 * Please stop WP:Bludgeoning the discussion, we already know your opinion. Also remember to sign your posts. StaticVapor message me!   20:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep has coverage in multiple reliable sources as per Doomsdayer so passes criteria #1 of WP:NMUSIC and has also released on a notable record label so should be included Atlantic306 (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


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