Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lil Kem (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. SpinningSpark 20:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Lil Kem
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This article has been nominated before and was deleted, however the article creator recreated it and failed to address the previous reason for why it was initally deleted in the newly created version. No reliable sources that's independent of the subject were provided. Stanleytux (talk) 16:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Delete: The subject of this article is not notable. Moreover, this article was previously deleted.  V e r s a c e 1 6 0 8   (Talk) 17:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep: The article meets criterias 8, and 10 of WP:MUSICBIO. Per the aforementioned criteria, "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria". Since Lil Kem meets two criterias of MUSICBIO, he is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia.--Coal Press Nation (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  18:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  18:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't see that The Headies are at the same level as " Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis" awards. I also can't see anything that fits criterion 10. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable" - he's released a video for a single of his, which is not the same thing (and the single is hardly notable anyway). Peridon (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is there a clear Wikipedia guideline that places Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice, Grammis, etc above The Headies Award? If there is any can someone direct me to it? I personally do not think the artist is notable enough for Wikipedia because it has not garnered enough coverage in reliable sources and the category he was nominated for was just a MINOR category but saying that a grammy nomination in place of headies would have made it stay (All other things remaining unchanged) is what I totally disagree with Darreg (talk) 21:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You should direct your comment to Peridon. Hopefully he'll respond to this. The fact that The Headies do not nominate or give awards to international artists outside of Africa is the only reason I can think of that would make The Headies not be among the awards mentioned.  V e r s a c e 1 6 0 8   (Talk) 22:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Just need to contribute to this. I have to agree that The Headies is not on the same level as Grammy awards et al. Not for anything other than the fact that the system through which The Headies operate is quite different from the Grammys (and that system generally makes an award to look "unserious"). The Headies' winners are voted by the general public and that makes the award not to be an "award for excellence" which the Grammy is. There was a time when Kora Awards used to be an equivalent of the grammys, I don't know if the standard is still there.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not so worried about the limiting to Africa - it's quite a big place with a lot of music, isn't it? It's more the magazine readers poll aspect. Yes, the Gramophone Award is a magazine based thing, but it's awarded by the critics, not an all too easily managed public poll. (Not the same as the Grammy, but also in the top award category.) Peridon (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete & Salt - I thought I was seeing things but nope this has definitely been recreated to the exact same standards that got it deleted the first time round, Nothings inproved at all, Still promo bs that belongs elsewhere, I'm not to fussed on the salting but just a suggestion to the closing admin. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  01:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Ok, let's say that it is the exact same article. In that case, it should not have been deleted the first time, as per Coal Press Nation's arguments. Anarchangel (talk) 01:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I take it that means you think the article passes WP:NBAND? Peridon (talk) 15:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (talk)  @ 17:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Undecided: I agree that the system of voting makes The Headies award to look like an un-serious award. I personally do not think Nigeria have a major excellence based music award. But Headies is currently the most popular Nigerian "music only" award ceremony so I think that should count for something. There is no clear defination on what will make a musical award "major" according to Wikipedia guidelines. If it were to be a major category I would have given it a Weak Keep but since it's a minor one I'd remain indifferent on this one. Darreg (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Rookie of the Year category that the subject was nominated for is not a reputable category. Per this source, the organizers of The Headies started handing out this award in 2012. It is not reputable when compared to the other categories. It doesn't get mention with the rest of the categories. I am just finding out that this category actually exist.  V e r s a c e 1 6 0 8   (Talk) 00:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess we can cross out criteria 8 then since he did not even win the award. Darreg (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And I reckon 10 goes out the window too as the only 'media' thing I can see is his video for his own single. I would say that this criterion is intended to be for people who have provided the music for a notable game, or something like that. Peridon (talk) 18:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete no significant awards, no significant music/videos, inadequate coverage. --Bejnar (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.