Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilakai Julian Neil


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) MacMedtalk stalk 02:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Lilakai Julian Neil

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 * Delete &minus; Subject does not appear to meet WP:POLITICIAN.
 * 1. She did not hold "international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office." She was a member of a tribal council that had some limited, devolved powers over a reservation.
 * &minus; That fails Criterion 1.
 * 2. She was not the mayor of a city or a member of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city. Neither can I find a single hit on Google.
 * &minus; That fails Criterion 2.
 * Therefore she fails WP:POLITICIAN. Moreover, as it says: "Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability." — Fly by Night  ( talk )  03:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep She was an elected member of the Navajo Nation Council the legislative body of the now 175,000 members of the Navajo Nation, a group whose large territory extends into three states. Rather than being "limited", the Navajo Nation Council has powers greater than many city councils, and the semi-autonomous government of the Navajo Nation has its own executive, legislative and judicial branches, as well as a police force with roughly 650 employees.  Accordingly, the Navajo Nation Council is equivalent to the "council of a major metropolitan city". Cullen328 (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As for the lack of Google hits, this was a person whose political career peaked in 1946, and she was active in a culture that did not have English as its first language. The article has a book reference, and her life is described on an Adventist website.  Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep User:Cullen328 is spot on. The legal status of Native American tribal areas has been and is confusing: they are defined as sovereign entities and have powers that supercede state powers for many legal matters; they have been recognized by the US Federal govenment as having the status of a nation to the degree that the US has signed treaties with these entities.  The Navajo Nation, for which the Navajo Tribal Council is the legislative branch of their government, has a status in most ways comparable to that of a state of the United States of America and in some ways comparable to a nation which is independent of the US.  There is ample precedent in WP for mention of members of the Navajo Tribal Council - see Edward T. Begay.  Regarding Google results, Lilakai Neil is listed under her full name and under her nickname "Lily Neil" (not to be confused with the modern Harpist.)  Author of article --Grapeguy (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Further to the issue of citations and contributions, review the additions to the article. --Grapeguy (talk) 00:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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