Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilith Astaroth


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 09:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lilith Astaroth

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Self-Promotion, Autobiography, Notability Cazbahrocker (talk) 19:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete. I've been monitoring the Category:Heavy metal singers and Category:Female metal singers, and came across the page for Lilith Astaroth, which has little evidence to classify her as a Female Metal Singer. Upon further investigation, it appears as if all edits were contributed by the subject herself (WP:YOURSELF). PROD was contested by the subject of the article, and I believe theres a real conflict of interest (WP:CONFLICT).

As a result, this page is nothing more then a list of personal accomplishments (WP:RESUME), which are not notable to the general public:
 * CamGirls is apparently a documentary from over 3 years ago that has not yet been released. The link provided to prove notability and verifiability of this was last updated in | June of 2007 and states that there is still | over 150 hours of post production work to be done.
 * Her modeling engagements are similarily also non-notable in nature. Is there anything ground breaking in her work for generally unknown organizations like Fetish Factory or hotpunkgirls.com? The later of which is a defunct site and thus is non-verifiable.
 * Her movie appearance is also non-notable. She played an unnamed "Female Vampire" in a low budget independent film | God of Vampires
 * Her television appearance on the canceled | Dr. Keith Ablow show may be the closest thing to notable on the page, but only if there's other evidence that she is an expert in the field of internet safety, which she apparently isn't. Her other television appearance on | Hypnotist Bernie's Exposition appears to be a local cable access show in which Miss Astaroth is hypnotized to help her further her career.
 * Musically, I haven't been able to find any evidence to confirm her affiliation with the three bands she claims to have been in: Blodgett, Natural Agression, and Cried. If the bands themselves are small and local (and thus non-notable) then her affiliation with them is also non-notable. The 2 solo tracks she links to is promoting her myspace page (WP:ADVERT), and there's little evidence of notability of her solo career as well.
 * Her work with Powerglove, a notable band in the area of video game metal, is limited to a self proclaimed 'burlesque/go-go' dancer which doesn't make her a notable contributer to the band and this information, along with where she she performed with the band, belongs on the Powerglove page and isn't a justification for her own page.
 * Finally, there really isn't anything notable about being interviewed at a game convention. Perhaps this would be notable if it represented something unique or prestigious, but the interview is merely her explaining why she plays a video game and how much joy she derives from it.

With all that said, I am new to this delete process. I've been editing Wikipedia for about 2-3 months, mainly very minor edits. I registered recently when I came across this article as I was interested in editing Wikipedia further. I believe I'm following the policies of Wikipedia properly, but I'd be happy to learn more. Cazbahrocker (talk) 21:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- John Vandenberg (chat) 22:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete of course. You did well:) Could have been speedy deleted- no notability at all. To clarify- the refs used are IMDB, youtube, myspace, a blog and some goth websites.  The documentary she was in was by a company with no notability whatsoever itself., she was on local access television once, and I think on a national chat show once where you just have to be eccentrically dressed enough to get an appearance.  Will we add every person who's been on The Dr. Keith Ablow Show once to this encyclopedia?  Not that I've heard of that, being in the UK.:) Sticky Parkin 11:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment – I'm not disagreeing, but if you Google the web and not the news you'll get (with all filters off) 6,340 hits for her and 291 for the production company, so there is indeed some level of notability even if she hasn't run over anyone with her car. --CliffC (talk) 12:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - but it comes down to what those 6340 hits comprise. Very few, if any, are reliable third-party references about her. They're the kind of hits someone gets from being very very busy networking: people's MySpace, Facebook and Twitter contact lists, and similar. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Again not disagreeing, but pointing out that it's a stretch to offer as support for the statement "no notability at all" two Google news searches. --14:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Google books and Google Scholar of course  have nothing about this particular individual either.  My point is that these would be more likely to indicate WP:RS, whereas her being mentioned on the internet a bit due to making sure she is does not. Sticky Parkin 15:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. No reliable sources to show notability. The first page of Google results brings up her Wikipedia article and a number of sites containing information which is self-published by her. She did appear once on a TV talk show. EdJohnston (talk) 14:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources to show notability... all bands mentioned fail WP:MUSIC, barring Powerglove, of which she is their dancer. The modelling and appearances in independent films and the like do not establish notability, as those films are not notable. One TV appearance isn't really enough. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually, I'm not convinced Powerglove pass WP:MUSIC either. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is self-promotion and anyone that studies the edit history should see the conflict. Not-notable. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)</b>) 03:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No major sources provided so we must assume that she has not attracted too much attention yet. Steve Dufour (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * comment note that Powerglove was redirected to Power glove per an AfD as they are not notable, but someone attempted to recreate it.  The article as it stood today was a speedy deletion candidate if it didn't have a history, as it did not show the importance of the subject- well it did show their level of importance- no label, no studio etc.:) <b style="color:#FF8C00;">Sticky</b> <b style="color:#FF8C00;">Parkin</b> 12:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Camgirl with delusions of superstardom. Doesn't even count as an Internet celebrity, the standards for which are notoriously low. Clear COI. I love Powerglove to death, but being a go-go dancer for a minor joke metal band does not cut it. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 23:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


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