Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lima: Breaking the Silence


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Lima: Breaking the Silence

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Non notable film, tagged since 2013. Nothing found in a WP:BEFORE search to help it pass WP:NFILM. Another editor says it deserves its day at AfD...so, here it is! Notable or not? Donaldd23 (talk) 15:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


 * More wp:before needed - As I said when removing the tag, this went straight to video in several countries, but (problem 1) none of them were English-speaking. Did you do WP:BEFORE in the languages it was actually released in? No, I thought not. Problem 2 is that it appears to be a crap film, but it deserves its day at Afd. Who knows what the German, Japanese or Polish reviews said? The producers, writers & actors etc are serious figures, much of whose other work is notable. Ok this may not be anyone's best work, but it's had nearly 15,000 views in the last 5 years. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I did do a BEFORE search and found nothing.  If you can find something that would save this article, then by all means add it to the article.  As for your comment, "The producers, writers & actors etc are serious figures, much of whose other work is notable", that is irrelevant as WP:NOTINHERITED.  I hope you succeed in finding citations to save the article. Donaldd23 (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For the 3rd time - Did you do WP:BEFORE in the languages it was actually released in? Do you even know the titles in those languages? Johnbod (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, if YOU can find something, go for it. I cannot. WP:DIY. Ugh... Donaldd23 (talk) 22:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I don't speak Japanese, Polish or (hardly) German etc (any more than you do). But I didn't tag it for speedy deletion - BEFORE is your responsibility not mine. Johnbod (talk) 02:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I did a WP:BEFORE, and AGAIN, I found nothing of substance. Have a great day. Donaldd23 (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But not in any of the languages of the markets in which the film was actually released. Not good enough. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, was that you sitting behind me while I did my BEFORE search? Donaldd23 (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The Spanish version of this article has a half-dozen references including a few paragraphs in a book, and the German has a couple of references. Did you review those? As a note, your nomination comment comes off as cavalier, and while AFD is not a matter of grave things, it also should not take the tone yours does. Consider some moderation in the future. --Izno (talk) 17:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Although it is no doubt the duty of the nominator to run a BEFORE search, when the claim is that a BEFORE search has produced no coverage, I feel that an effort should be made on the part of those wishing to preserve the article to prove the nominator wrong. A page view count is a relatively meaningless statistic at AfD; we measure notability primarily by amount of coverage in reliable sources, not by page hits. Additionally, language barriers can usually be mitigated with Google Translate. There are a couple reviews in the Spanish article that seem noteworthy: the El Comercio (Peru) review and the rayray.utero.pe review. The book source has a couple paragraphs about the film. cinencuentro.com looks like it could be reliable though it seems to be a niche website. The German article has this Film Dienst source with a "long review" hidden behind a paywall. Other than that, the New Video source looks like minor/routine coverage. Overall, the amount of coverage is somewhat underwhelming for an American film released in 1999, but I think it might be just enough to meet WP:NFILM guidelines. I think I would support either keeping the article or merging some of it to the director's article, Menahem Golan. Mz7 (talk) 19:51, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:15, 8 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources identified above by Mz7 including at least two reviews so WP:GNG is passed and deletion is no longer necessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The film was released under very different names in different countries, which doesn’t help a search. Multiple reliable sources in Spanish and German have taken the trouble to tell us how dreadful it was, so it passes WP:GNG. Mccapra (talk) 04:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


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