Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lingdian (band)


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The result was keep. --BDD (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Lingdian (band)

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I might be missing something, but I don't see how this article is establishing any form of notability necessary for meeting the criteria at WP:BAND. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 22:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * okay lets check the list:
 * 1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.
 * 2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. (This includes genre-specific charts).
 * 3) Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
 * 4) Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
 * 5) Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable).
 * 6) Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably-prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.
 * 7) Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
 * 8) Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
 * 9) Has won or placed in a major music competition.
 * 10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications)
 * 11) Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.
 * 12) Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network.


 * How many of these apply? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm with the nominator on this, it's not too obvious to me. I wish for something less rhetorical, please. --Cold Season (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mongolia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)




 * Speedy Keep: Article on official Xinhua News Agency calls it one of the most famous rock bands in China. A Google search on its Chinese name returns almost a half million results:, including numerous articles on mainstream news portals. -Zanhe (talk) 05:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, per above passes WP:BAND#1. To IIO, this article clearly deserved a WP:A7 nomination. Should we check all of your articles created to verify they meet the minimal criteria of notability? You don't deserve this, but we neither deserve to start the nomination of pages that mentions nothing but a rephrase of the title of the page. Rather than make copy-pastes of pages, and quotefarms, start to do this to the pages you create, rather than left the articles "adrift at the sea" until someone notices they meet the XFD criteria. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 03:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, Tbhotch, your trolling and stalking apart, if you read the deletion guidelines you'll find out that existence of related articles (interwiki articles on the band and singer) and sources should be checked as part of AFD policy. A good editor will look at print sources before tagging an article. You show me an article you have created on a China band and show me how good your creations are. The purpose of a WP:STUB is just that, a stub to a notable subject inviting other editors to build on it. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not "stalking", I found this at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Disambiguations after I nominated G+. Once again stop creating crappy articles and complaining about their eventual XFD process. Or you create a decent article, or simply don't create it. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 04:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No what you're spouting is nonsense. If you knew this article could have passed the notability standard, you should have wrote it to pass the notability standard from the very beginning.  The fact that you waited for this to come to AFD before improving it beyond a speedy deletion standard is disconcerting to say the least. &mdash; Coffee  //  have a cup  //  essay  // 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Coffee, a couple of questions:
 * (1). When you placed the AFD what reason did you have to believe that WP:BAND criteria 1 had not been passed:
 * China With a Cut: Globalisation, Urban Youth and Popular Music - Page 87 2010 "Globalisation, Urban Youth and Popular Music. JVC Hong Kong has licensed the Mongolian pop-rock band Ling Dian from Jingwen for the market outside China. ... Ling Dian has chosen to express their emotions through their music."
 * World Music Volumn 2 Latin and North America Caribean India Asia Broughton, Simon, Ellingham, Mark, Richard Trillo - 2000 ... - Page 53 "Fancy praising Maoist communist ideals ("The East is Red", ther), Lingdian (Zero Point), Zhinanzhen (Compass),"
 * Edward L. Davis - Encyclopedia of Contemporary Chinese Culture 2009 - Page 712 "Black Panther turned to pop rock, a genre that is also popular with Zang Tianshuo, Point Zero (Lingdian), Baojia Rd. No.43"
 * These three sources were already in the article when you placed the AFD, so what is the problem with these 3 sources?
 * (2). WP:IDEALSTUB states: "When you write a stub, bear in mind that it should contain enough information for other editors to expand upon it. The key is to provide adequate context—articles with little or no context usually end up being speedily deleted" - was there not enough context for other editors to expand this stub? (with or without reference to zh.wp's two articles on the band and lead singer). In ictu oculi (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.