Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linnea Mellgren


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Linnea Mellgren

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Non-notable teen figure skater, fails WP:ATHLETE for never appearing in senior competition  RGTraynor  16:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. See this Google News archive search for evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources that passes the general notability guideline. -- Eastmain (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per coverage shown by User:Eastmain. Notabiliy is established.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What I'm seeing on that "search" is six links, all to brief competition recaps. Eastmain, you know full well that "significant coverage" means an in-depth article about the subject, not - to take the first link - a seven-sentence recap of that particular competition which mentions Mellgren twice.  So far, it looks like you're just sticking up indiscriminate Google searches and declaring the list as passing WP:BIO on the strength of that, well, there's a Google list.  (Heck, googling MY name returns three times as many general hits.)    RGTraynor  18:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, those sources don't meet any standard of proving notability. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 19:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, per above Rosokokolapo (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC) — Rosokokolapo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  RGTraynor  19:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think she does meet the WP:ATHLETE requirements, having "competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing": Gold in 2006, bronze in 2007.   SIS   20:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Read the next line WP:ATHLETE. Must compete at the highest level of their sport. Junior is not the highest level, the highest level would be senior level events like the Olympics or World Championships. -Djsasso (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A matter of interpretation, I think. In her league she is at the highest level. According to your logic only senior Olympic or Worldchampions would be notable. I'm not sure if that's the case.   SIS   22:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No I don't believe they have to be Olympic or World Champions, but I do believe they have to compete at them. -Djsasso (talk) 02:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a very strange "interpretation" indeed to believe junior competition to be the "highest level" in that sport. It is, of course, senior competition.    RGTraynor  03:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I said "in her league", not "in that sport".   SIS   11:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A five year old can be at the highest in her league for 5 year olds, but that doesn't mean they warrant a wiki article. -Djsasso (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The text of WP:ATHLETE is "Competitors who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports." Her standing at her own level of competition is quite irrelevant; as Djsasso correctly points out, your POV declares any kid who's at the top of his T-ball league to be prima facie notable.   RGTraynor  15:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You're using WP:WAX?? We're not talking abot an article about a 5-year-old who is best at his mini-league in T-ball... and if that 5-year-old does get an article, we can discuss that one then. We are speaking here about a young woman who has competed at the highest level for her age group, and who has won numerous medals. When she competes in senior division or in professional divisions, that will be added to her article. You cannot be saying that young women cannot in any way be notable until they hit some arbitrary age?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying that young female athletes who fail to pass WP:BIO generally cannot in any way be notable unless they pass WP:ATHLETE, which requires that athletes either compete in a fully professional league or at the highest level of amateur sport. In figure skating, the highest level is senior competition, not novice or juniors ... and here I'm being generous, because a number of people think that senior international competition is the highest level.  Until she does, she is no more notable in Wikipedia's eyes, and has achieved no more, than the aforementioned T-ball star, who likewise has outshone his age group.  Now if you disagree with WP:ATHLETE, feel free to go to its talk page and try to win support for your POV, although broad consensus is for tightening up the criteria, not loosening them.  Here's not the place to argue around WP:ATHLETE's provisions.    RGTraynor  15:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to meet WP:ATHLETE and is missing non-trivial sources, those sources mentioned above are trivial. -Djsasso (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * delete not notable enough for own article. sorry but true. Masterhatch (talk) 05:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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