Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linus Sebastian (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep. Not just per WP:SNOW, but nominating at the midst of the recent controversy—which is a bad look for him—is not a great look for Wikipedia (i.e. might comes across as retaliatory). El_C 22:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__

Linus Sebastian
AfDs for this article:


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Sourcing does not suggest independent notability, especially for an individual. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 August 15.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 23:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep wikipedia is making a mockery of itself at this point. You wanna have an article for a lollipop lady nobody has ever heard of (bUt ShE hAs aN MbE!1!!) and delete the profile of an entrepreneur and famous television presenter with millions of viewers? What is wrong with you guys!?!? 87.196.74.168 (talk) 00:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies, particularly those on whataboutism and notability for people. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please, remain civil and assume good faith. &mdash;siro&chi;o 03:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * what does that have to do with the keep message? Sebbog13 (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the more appropriate question is what does the rest of what was posted after the keep itself has to do with the article in question. Both the responses by Siroxo and ElijahPepe were applicable. Picard&#39;s Facepalm (talk) 18:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Technology, Internet,  and Canada. Skynxnex (talk) 03:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep All things considered this seems to be a rather major and well established youtube channel host. I do however feel that the article needs to be cleaned up with additional focus on his channel ("Linus Tech Tips"). Articles such as TheNeedleDrop or Philip DeFranco may serve as good comparisons for the scope of articles that cover large-but-not-massive youtubers. A MINOTAUR (talk) 04:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * NoteThere is extensive focus on his/his company's numerous YT channels and company in Linus Media Group. Shifting that focus over to the article centered around him would be a mistake, extend well beyond the scope of the individual, and would take away from the LMG article. I would urge against this. Picard&#39;s Facepalm (talk) 13:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:NBIO:
 * Jumpytoo Talk 04:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Jumpytoo Talk 04:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Jumpytoo Talk 04:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Jumpytoo Talk 04:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Clearly meets WP:NBIO. Linus is a notable person per WP:CREATIVE. I think it is self evident that "become a significant monument" is clearly met. Not really sure why this is being proposed. If you made this in good faith, you should probably start going through and creating AfDs for pretty much any YouTuber (like Marques Brownlee). He's also commonly cited in various media outlets for issues facing YouTube creators, like YouTube is demonetizing videos about coronavirus, and creators are mad. Lightcrowd (talk) 10:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Only two sources that mention Sebastian specifically are a NYT and a Kotaku article. Most other sources are primary, which does not suggest independent notability.Cortador (talk) 11:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There's also other sources, such as an Inc. Magazine article. If anything, this wiki article just needs to be expanded/TLC. I can find references to Linus in BBC, The Verge, Arstechnica, CNN and a few other news websites (prior to 2023). Seems to meed NBIO to me. I think a cleanup template message is more appropriate (too many primary sources, expansion, etc) is more appropriate. If the primary host and creator of the multiple Linus Media Group channels isn't notable enough, then I feel like it sets a precedent for more AfDs for other notable content creators across Wikipedia. Lightcrowd (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, I just wanted to mention this nomination may (or may not, I do not intent to accuse people) be influenced by a recent controversy and some YouTube & Reddit drama involving the subject's behaviour (The gist of this drama is that he made huge blunders in a video about a startup's prototype and then bashed the startup and refused to fix the errors, auctioned off the prototype without permission, has a history of making basic mistakes in his videos, and recently a former employee has alleged mistreatment at this guy's company). So I would suggest that some admins and more experienced editors be on the look-out for randos commenting here without any other contribs. Tube·of·Light 12:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The original nomination was over 7 years ago, and Linus' notoriety has certainly only increased since then. Yes - the sourcing lends itself to not being the highest quality article, but not at all warrants an AfD nomination, and can likely and rather easily be fixed such as Lightcrowd mentioned above.  In reality, this AfD is quite possibly retaliatory in nature due to recent controversies.  If there were a way to nominate an AfD for deletion - this nomination would be a prime candidate. Picard&#39;s Facepalm (talk) 13:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article clearly passes WP:BIO. Since the first nomination for deletion, the article has been improved and most sections are properly sourced. 🛧 Layah50♪ 🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！  ) 14:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Article needs improvement but meets WP:BIO AfD is overly extreme. UndeadAnarchy  (talk) 15:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Are you kidding me? Linus Sebastian is severely notable as a person, he's been talked about in mainstream publications including the New York Times and The Verge, and this article has existed for years. This AfD is in my opinion a joke. Doesn't help that it was made after the Gamers Nexus controversy as well, making me think that there is some sort of ulterior motive behind this AfD, to let out some internal anger re: said controversy. I'm voting Keep purely because this AfD comes off as nothing but a joke as well as Linus just being severely notable as an individual. - Evelyn Marie (leave a message · contributions) 20:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep
 * A. Linus is a notable person.
 * B. The article needs improving, not deleting
 * C. There are sources for Linus across various internet sources and news sites.
 * D. I think that this has been inflated by recent controversy. Jguiii (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - clearly notable figure in the realm of both PC/technology and YouTube, per WP:NBIO and WP:WEB. Genuinely surprised to even see an AfD on him in the first place, considering there are sources about him from The New York Times, Kotaku, PC Gamer, Mashable, Lifehacker, The Washington Post, BGR and Ars Technica among other sources editors already pointed above. I hope this gets closed as a Snow Keep. PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.