Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lion Solser


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. And while not directly relevant to the determination of consensus which is quite clear, I wanted to note MQS' remark "please let's not have editors demanding ongoing modern English coverage for a Dutch film comedian who died nearly 100 years ago. We have books." which absolutely made my day. We do indeed have books and may many articles be based on them. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Lion Solser

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Based on not usable references (Linkedin and Facebook) Night of the Big Wind  talk  14:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep Starring in in the 1896 comedy film Gestoorde hengelaar by M.H. Laddé, which was the first Dutch fictional film, is a pretty decent assertion of notability... and is verifiable. Time then to use available sources and correct the issue. And as this person died in Rotterdam in 1915, please let's not have editors demanding ongoing modern English coverage for a Dutch film comedian who died nearly 100 years ago. We have books.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - If starring in the film Gestoorde Hengelaar isn't a assertion of notability, I'm not sure what is. --Madison-chan (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He played in just two movies. They were not major stars, even in The Netherlands. See WP:NACTOR, that does not give different rules for old movies and/or actors. Night of the Big Wind  talk  15:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Pardon, but just how many films do you think were being made in 1896 in the Netherlands?? How many film stars do you assert even existed in the Netherlands in 1896... in an era where the primitive nature of films made many think that film itself was only a curiosity or passing fancy?? Falls under WP:ENT#3 as unique and innovative. We do not judge films or actors from the very birth of the history of film in the same manner as we do something done last year by some big studio. No, as an encyclopedia we do our best to preserve information about cinematic history for posterity.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously, because this is an encyclopedia, and this is clearly, per the basic common sense that anyone qualified to edit an encyclopedia should have, an encyclopedic subject. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Even so, the article is based on completely unusable sources. Cut them, and you have an unsourced article about a person, a strong nono. Night of the Big Wind  talk  21:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As this is not a BLP, and we do have decent sources available about this deceased individual from the very ealiest days of cinema history, the "nono" is more a reason to address the issue through regular editing than it is to delete because it had not yet been done by someone else.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Article contains no references to Linkedin or Facebook, so that argument is wrong.  Satisfies WP:ENT #3, historically distinct contribution.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.