Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lior Haramaty


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 14:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Lior Haramaty
vanity page of user Liorhar. Some 70 Ghits for the name. Also bundling the walled garden articles of VocalTec and Designfenzider, (note the trailing comma) in this AfD.
 * Delete as per my nom.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  17:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Followed almost the exact format of article Alon Cohen who shared the founding of VocalTec and the mentioned patent. Reference to the facts can be foud and many other references you can easily find on the net.
 * I'm not questioning the patent or the facts - the issue is WP:Vanity. Cohen didn't write his own article (but I did consider including it in the AfD).   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  09:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I would agree if not for the simple fact that this was copied from an existing article which shared both the founding of the company and the writing of the patent, and set the facts right. Should one hide behind a false name to do something like that to make it right? (as unfortunately probably is commonly done). This was just setting the facts right, which is what wikipedia is all about.

Regardless of the above - Vocaltec's articles are here because it totally changed the telecommunication scene and the economy behind it - you can expend on that forever, and the effect continues and will continue to shape it for the foreseen future. You're welcome to re-write these articles and actually expending them will probably serve them right.
 * You have a point and I have some reservations about VP:Vanity myself. The history (FWIW) is that I came across Designfenzider, first, thought it clearly non-notable, found it referenced Lior Haramaty created by Liorhar and with few Ghits, then saw a stub for VocalTec.  So it all looked like a typical vanity walled garden.  On reflection, I agree that VocalTec should be expanded and I withdrew that from AfD once I realised it had a genuine history.   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk

Thanks, I appreciate that. As for Designfenzider, - didn't have time to write much about it, and maybe I shouldn't because of conflict of interest (although I sometimes think I’m “too objective” when it comes to where conflict of interest is involved…), but the company, and its main designer (Ron Gilad, another article-that-should-be-written), deserve its own article(s) as it has and is influencing the design industry (you can find a lot of reference by googelign and see pages and articles in many publications including a recent one in New York Times’ business section).

Anyway, I believe I made my point(s) and appreciate your sincerity and common sense (always good to chat with someone who keeps an open mind and looks at for solutions that make sense), so at this point I’ll pull out of this issues, and let you take it from here.

Thanks.
 * Delete. — Mar. 29, '06 [06:55] <[ freakofnurxture]|[ talk]>


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.