Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lip Service (game show)


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The result was keep. Not much input after Cunard identidied sourcing that countered the nom and Sergecross73's !vote, but nor is anyone contending they don't counter. Star  Mississippi  02:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Lip Service (game show)

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Non-notable game show. Zero sourcing found. Deprodded because "notability is just your opinion". Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 05:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, full DEPROD reasoning was ""non notable" sounds like a personal opinion. Cite a Wikipedia guideline in your reasoning." If you are going to use quote marks, include the actual quote. Donald D23   talk to me  15:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Being non-notable is a policy based reason, for the record. He's clearly referring to it not meeting WP:GNG. It's a vague rationale, but it is policy-based. And a rather reasonable assumption to come to considering the state of the article. Sergecross73   msg me  19:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That still sounds like an opinion. If you're taking the time to put an article up for PROD, it's not hard to add "fails WP:GNG" in addition to "non notable". I've seen many articles put up for deletion with just "not notable" or something similar that was really only put up for PROD as revenge for someone's article being deleted, or just as vandalism. Donald D23   talk to me  20:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure most people know that that's what they're getting at when they say non-notable. I'm sorry you've witnessed some bad nominations, but I think you're conflating issues at this point. Sergecross73   msg me  20:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "most people"...you just proved why more info than "not notable" is needed. Citing a Wikipedia policy would make that become "all people". Donald D23   talk to me  00:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I see people do this plenty, and you're the only one I've ever seen get confused over its meaning. Take that as you will. Sergecross73   msg me  00:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - couldn't find any sourcing to satisfy the WP:GNG. No prejudice for recreation if better sources are ever found - it was nationally televised on MTV so they probably exist somewhere out there. But it was short lived in the early 90s, so sources are likely locked away off the internet on paper courses not easily found. Sergecross73   msg me  01:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "Lip Service is karaoke MTV-style. Teams lip-sync and dance to the song of their choice for a cash award or prize. The crew is on the hunt for contestants. Lots of contestants. They plan to shoot 50 shows in the next three weeks. They need 150 amateur acts by the middle of next month. Contestants must perform in groups of three or five and be between the ages of 18 and 25."  The article notes: "This Saturday, MTV introduces a new series designed to ride the crest of this increasingly popular wave of volunteer entertainment. " 'Lip Service' is a talent-driven game show," executive producer Lauren Corrao said. ... "Lip Service" follows in the footsteps of the TV trivia game show, ''Remote Control," MTV's first game show that ran daily from 1987-90 and continued successfully in repeats." <li> The article notes: "When MTV host John Ales and scouts Rich Korson and Todd Warner searched Hampton Roads for contestants to perform on their Lip Service show last month, they almost returned empty handed. Almost. ... On MTV's Lip Service contestants lip-sync and dance to the song of their choice for prizes. The three young women landed a spot on the show, so today they begin rehearsal."</li><li> The article notes: "On Thursday, look for the University of Kentucky trio to do just that when the women perform on MTV's "Lip Service." The popular game show features contestants who dance and lip sync to popular music. Celebrity judges, like former porn star Tracy Lords, psychologist Ruth Westheimer, singer Little Richard and actor Al Lewis (Grandpa from "The Munsters") rate the groups on their performance, lip-syncing ability and choreography."</li><li> The article notes: "During the fast-paced show two teams compete in three different rounds: Contestants lip-sync on the spot with no knowledge of the song list; they sing to a popular song while the stars in their own videos appear to lip-sync to the contestant's voice; and they perform a prepared routine to a song that is manipulated (sped up, slowed down and scratched) at will by T-Money, the show's resident disc jockey. The half-hour game show features a revolving panel of celebrity judges, including Linda Blair, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Tiny Tim and rapper LL Cool J. The final show of the first 26-episode season features the best four teams of the year competing for the opportunity to make their own video for MTV."</li> <li> The article notes: "I expect to have my hands - and lips - full all day. Big Apple folks from MTV's Lip Service game show will be in town to audition Brevard's best lip-syncers. Among which, I am. ... Problem: MTV folks say the only people who will be allowed to audition are kids 18 to 25. Such nonsense. What kid that age knows the first thing about lip-syncing with real verve?"</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lip Service to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC) </li></ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:27, 2 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep sources shared by Cunard establish notability per WP:GNG NemesisAT (talk) 11:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


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