Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lira–Gulu–Agago High Voltage Power Line


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Karuma Hydroelectric Power Station. J04n(talk page) 12:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Lira–Gulu–Agago High Voltage Power Line

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WP:CRYSTAL. If and when this power plant actually gets constructed, it may become a notable subject. So far, it is a proposed line which has received little independent attention yet. The only independent reliable source in the article, "Sunrise Uganda", seems to be infected by some malware, as it first asks for a password and then gives a "website blocked" error which I could only get rid of by shutting down my browser. Not the kind of source added in response to a ProD which makes one happy.... Fram (talk) 07:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The article claims four things in the "construction" section as of June 2017, but these are according to the source things about a "Lira–Gulu–Nebbi–Arua High Voltage Power Line", and the "Gulu-Agago" line is the next section in that document, and has the status "Update of feasibility study in final stages". No "Lira-Gulu-Agago" line as a whole even exists in that document. Son instead of a 240km line from Lira, this is a 85 km line from Gulu where the feasability study isn't even finished. Fram (talk) 07:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 14:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Needs some !votes.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ! dave  12:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but perhaps rename to Lira–Gulu-Agago Power/Transmission Line or something like that. There are indeed reliable sources covering this subject in New Vision, AllAfrica.com, Full Budget Speech 2015/2016 in NTV news, etc. The subject is notable and warrants a stand alone just like Kita-Iwaki powerline, Aust Severn Powerline Crossing, etc. During the development phase, much can be added including budget, etc. It would be silly to delete it now and then later try to recreate the same article. Senegambianamestudy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That first source mentions it (an extremely passing mention). The second source ha a bit more on the line (still not a lot), and makes it clear that the line may never be built: "With many Finance officials confirming there is no money in the Fund, there is no doubt that some of the projects that had been lined up will be affected." and "Funding for the line is also not reflected in the budget estimates for the Financial Year 2017/2018.". The third source is a government speech, not an independent source. "It would be silly to delete it now and then later try to recreate the same article." Not at all, that is exactly what WP:CRYSTAL is about. Delete when it is uncertain and there are few independent sources, recreate when it is certain and there are enough independent sources. Fram (talk) 13:18, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * (edit clash) Comment regarding this document from Uganda Electricity Transmission Company Limited (UETCL) as cited by Fram above. The article clearly states that the project is starting from Lira which is where UETCL's substation is located. Therefore, it is totally understandable why UETCL will not mention its own substation's location (Lira) but only mention "Gulu-Agago" as evident on page 19 of that document. That said, I also noticed that it did mention the "Lira-Gulu-Nebbi-Arua" transmission project. Notice however that, that particular project is on the first list of that heading. All subsequent projects under that heading where the project is starting from Lira were abbreviated with the word Lira omitted - as Lira has already been mentioned in the first line. My guess is this is merely a writing style. As regards to your latest comment above, those issues should be reflected in the article but financial/budgetary issues does not warrant a deletion of an article. It is not our place to determine whether something is going to be built or not and to use our own personal biases to push for a result. Our role is to cite the reliable sources which have been cited and leave it with the reader.  To push for delete because you think it may not be completed is simply OR not to mention disruptive. Reliable sources which argue that case should be included in the article but that is not a genuine reason for delete. It is not for you to decide what will or will not be completed. If you think it will not be completed, put it in the article and cite your sources with reference to weight. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment @Fram : Further, that is a government budget published in a reliable source, so your point has not merit. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have given no indication whether I think it will be completed or not, and I have no interest in deciding what will or will not be completed (no idea where you get that idea from). But a line which has received very little independent attention (and the reprint of a government speech is not an independent source, just like the reprint of a press release is not an independent source), and where it is obviously unclear if and when it will be built, is not ready for an article; that is not "my own personal bias" but WP:CRYSTAL plain and simple. At the moment, this belongs in a list of HV lines in Uganda, with status "proposed" or some such. If it gets more individual, indepth, independent coverage it may be recreated as an independent article. Fram (talk) 14:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Article is adequately referenced. Fsmatovu 03:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Karuma Hydroelectric Power Station. The power line is only notable because it brings power from the power station.[]  The article is actually poorly sourced.  If you remove primary sources and passing trivial mentions, there's almost nothing left.  A Google search turns up nothing better; fails WP:GNG on its own, but with a single source it can be part of the power station article. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


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