Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Bella Donna


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Article has been improved since nomination. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉  (HAPPY 2023) 12:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Lisa Bella Donna

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Lack of independent sourcing. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC) *Keep, as per the very convincing argument made by Beccaynr (talk) 00:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC) Keep per above meets WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women,  and United States of America. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 07:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete ref-staacking. I don't see any sources beyond streaming media sites. Oaktree b (talk) 12:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There's NPR, Performer mag which is a print magazine, Music Connection is a print magazine, Columbus monthly is a print magazine, the Brooklyn Rail is a print magazine, Happy Mag is a print magazine, and Rolling Stone is a print magazine. Wikitehedia (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I added the Stranger a newspaper in Seattle WA and a article by WCMH NBC4 Columbus Ohio.
 * Wikitehedia (talk) 22:31, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BASIC - sources in the article and available online support notability and can help develop the article about her and her career, e.g. Introducing Lisa Bella Donna (Columbus Monthly, 2016, interview with secondary context and commentary), Dealing With the Human Condition: Lisa Bella Donna (The Brooklyn Rail, 2021, interview with secondary context and commentary), Lisa Bella Donna On the Metaphysical Power of Music, COVID-19, and ‘Night of the Living Dead’ (WOUB-TV, 2021, video interview with written secondary context and commentary), Solid State Logic 'On-Location with Lisa Bella Donna' (Music Connection, 2022, brief album review), SSL X Lisa Bella Donna ft. SiX & SSL 2 (Music Connection, 2021, capsule review), Beverly Crusher's Chaos and Lisa Bella Donna's Peace, (The Stranger, 2022, album review). She is also an interviewed artist in PATCH & TWEAK with Moog (noted by Mixmag, 2020), and Pete Townshend is quoted in Music Week, "Lisa Bella Donna is someone I love", when asked about artists in 2019. Beccaynr (talk) 23:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC) - comment updated to strike a source dependent on a press release and a source likely dependent on a press release - Beccaynr (talk) 18:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)  - comment updated to strike !vote - Beccaynr (talk) 14:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There is also: A Guide to the Discography of Synth Wizard Lisa Bella Donna (Bandcamp, 2020, reviewing a collective body of her work published on Bandcamp, so not completely independent), but helpful for building out her Discography. Beccaynr (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the helpful feedback. Wikitehedia (talk) 00:19, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Beccaynr (talk) 23:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sourcing work by Wikitehedia and Beccaynr. Jfire (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC per Beccaynr, though that lede could use some trimming as far as the WP:CITEOVERKILL. - Aoidh (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article has been significantly improved since it was nominated and I believe it now meets WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - a little borderline, but the coverage in The Stranger, Columbus Monthly, and Brooklyn Rail have sufficient depth. I should note that it's possible that the subject has requested deletion of this article, though the information they are objecting to aligns with the sources; Beccaynr has reached out to that IP on the article's talk page.OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I support the article being deleted if the article subject's wishes are to have it deleted. She has requested it be deleted to me privately via email and on the article talk page. I had sent her an email a few days ago asking if she could give her permission to use one of her photos for the page. I had never interacted with her previous to me sending the email. She is very distressed by the creation of the page for various personal reasons, and asked it be removed. I think in this case the article existing would do more harm then good. Wikitehedia (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there something wrong on the page? Typically speaking, the article's subject not wanting the article to exist is not a sufficient reason for deletion. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As an admin and ex-Oversighter, I can offer some perspective there. A surprising amount of people don't want BLPs for all sorts of reasons, but one of the main ones is that they are a magnet for all sorts of vindictive people; stalkers, political operatives, 'wronged' enemies, etc. That's all before the issue of them being a focus for misinformation and often libel, that suddenly becomes 'truth' because it's on Wikipedia. I've seen BLP subjects being absolutely frustrated with their own articles because of "facts" that are posted which they know to be incorrect, yet they are forbidden from correcting them. And on and on. The big one is that BLPs can be a source of libel, doxxing, and a vehicle for stalking and harassment. Seen it many many times & I'm coming up on 20 years here - A l is o n  talk 22:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * tl;dr - if I hear that a BLP subject really doesn't want their article, I try to understand why. There are certain people (not you!) who, on hearing that, actually lean in to keeping it instead. Which is just vindictive, but there ya go. Wikipedia should not exist to harm people - A l is o n  talk 22:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * After thinking more about this article, the sources, the discussion here, and a review of the WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE section of WP:BLP policy, I boldly removed the Early life and education section. From my view, her notability is based on her music career, because this is what has received independent and secondary coverage from multiple sources, and we can use caution with coverage not directly related to her music career. Beccaynr (talk) 23:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pharaoh of the Wizards. Meets WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC Metro2fsb (talk) 06:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.