Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Dewey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This is close--the level of sourcing almost meets WP:GNG, but the consensus is that those sources aren't in enough depth, and that the person doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. Since it looks like a little more coverage will make her notable, I will happily userfy the article if anyone wants to continue working on it. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Lisa Dewey

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I came across this article when an editor, IMO, mis-applied a "rewrite" tag. I have some concerns about notability and the sources. Reading through musician notability standards, I don't think this hold ups, despite having a lot of "sources," because most of them are questionable as far as establishing notability. Since this article does have sources, I'm not going to prod and decided to simply file a procedural AFD to see if this holds up. I can't find much more in the way of references than what is already listed. Quinn &#9617; RAIN 22:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Beat me to it. A lot of sources but nothing good passed a few local interest pieces. Not significant coverage. Didn't find better when I looked. Touring lacks coverage. Acting is minor parts. Releases not on important label. Book lacks reviews. Notability is not inherited from connection with Mute Angst Envy (band) (who may be later nominated for deletion). duffbeerforme (talk) 10:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) this page meets the requirements as follows:
 * Keep. Totally disagree. According to the standards:

- Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable).

Has more than two albums on the Kitchen Whore Record label, which includes on its roster Bethany Curve, a major act in the Shoegaze genre, and Marc Moreland, a former member of Wall of Voodoo.

- Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

As shown by several of the articles referenced on the page, Lisa Dewey is a highly prominent member of the San Jose, CA, music scene

- Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications)

While the IMDB references are not major motion pictures, she shows up on a few indie movies, which is still notable.

Oh yeah, and most of all this one:

- Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

As shown in the article, her album work includes such artists as Jackie Perez-Gratz from Amber Asylum on the cello, Michael Steele of The Bangles playing bass and Simon Raymonde of the Cocteau Twins performing bass and also producing. Also, she has worked with Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac. I think that those artists would be considered notable by most people. Prodoom (talk) 02:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Two notable artists having released on Kitchen whore does not make "a roster of performers, many of whom are notable". Dewey is not an ensemble and notability is not inheretid from who she worked with. Which work do you think qualifies for "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable"? duffbeerforme (talk) 07:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Her co-writing work with Lindsey Buckingham (cited in a couple of sources and also appearing with credit on Mr. Buckingham's WP page for his latest album) should be enough, based on some of the other artists on WP that have far less. However, she obviously has worked with other artists of note. Prodoom (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - The existence of other articles of poor quality are not really relevant to this discussion. It may very well be that they too should be deleted, but they aren't the ones that are nominated for deletion here. -- Whpq (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Abstain as nom Just making it clear that this was, for me, procedural in intent based on general sourcing concerns, so I don't want my AFD nomination perceived as a vote one way or the other. I can see arguments for both sides here. Quinn &#9617; RAIN 05:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. A few local interest pieces doesn't make an artist a "highly prominent" member of a scene. There's no significant coverage anywhere online other than what's linked in the article and it's not enough to meet the notability standard.  And looking at the artist website, it doesn't look like any of the artists mentioned above are part of the ensemble, and besides this isn't a band page its an artist page.  And last I checked she wasn't a member of Fleetwood Mac.  It also looks like one of the main contributors of this page is the artist herself so this reeks of self promotion to me. Idk224 (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As I suspected, self promotion. Looks like Prodoom, the only keep vote, and originator/main editor of the article, is in the band with her, per his/her MySpace page.  I quote "Still playing lots o' music... bass player for Lisa Dewey & the Lotus Life, bass & guitar for Mute Angst Envy, bass for Cerebral Punishment..."  Fail.  Idk224 (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lacks the coverage needed to establish notability. Some local writeups of which  represents the best.  However, none of that establishes Dewey's prominence in the local scene to meet notability for musicians.  The indie label she publishes under is actually her own label, and a few notble acts doesn't make it one of the big ones that are referred to in the notability guidelines. -- Whpq (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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