Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Douglas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Lisa Douglas

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Fails WP:GNG. Better to move main points to Green Acres character list. User:EggOfReason (User talk:EggOfReason) 01:17, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The character, the leading role of Green Acres, has been well-covered by reliable sources, from Washington Post to CNN and various books. The character described a symbolic and significant image of women in society, referred to by the likes of The New York Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Star etc. In 2006, when the Green Acres theme song was sung by Donald Trump and Mullaly at the Emmys, both of them paid homage to Oliver (Lisa's other half) and Lisa Douglas in their respective roles. The character's symbolic characterization of women has also been covered in various scholastic studies. Thanks.  Lourdes  03:15, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Lourdes, a word of advice, to you or any other editor who knows enough about this character to make a judgment that the article should be kept. (and with the caveat that I know nothing about your editing record and was too lazy to see, perhaps you have vast experience and already know what I am about to say).  The best, perhaps the only, way to demonstrate to other editors that this fictional character is notable, is to source the article to WP:SIGCOV of the character (not the actress, the character,) in WP:RS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * User:EggOfReason. I am grateful to any editor with the initiative to find unsourced arrticles and bring them here, but, do you think that there should also be an AfD for Oliver Wendell Douglas?  I could see the argument for merging both of them the Douglas characters to the TV show page, but it seems odd to propose to merge the wife but not the husband.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, sorry, I bit the bullet and looked for sourcing. Ran the obvious search on "lisa douglas" + "green acres" +  feminist and immediately found WP:INDEPTH considerations in academic books on feminism : gBooks search here:  .E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as a textbook example of WP:TNT: if the article's content is useless (including all the versions in history) but the title might be useful, then delete the content to help encourage a new article. If you keep the article, then you're keeping something of no value until someone replaces it with something of value. Fully accepting that the character is notable, there must be a limit to WP:NOTCLEANUP. The article has zero sources, it consists of completely in-universe plot fragments, tagged as such since 2007 (!), along with pearls such as In one episode, Lisa asks a visitor drinking coffee if he'd like another cup. He says yes and she takes the cup, throws it out the window, gets another cup and then pours coffee into it. and In an episode, Lisa said that she did a good impression of Zsa Zsa Gabor, Eva Gabor's sister. Unless someone fulfills WP:The Heymann Standard in the meantime, this should be deleted and redirected appropriately, as it has 0 bytes of worthwhile content apart from the lead sentence. No such user (talk) 13:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ,, hello. Hope you are doing well. I've TNT'd the article and re-written it completely from scratch, adding all the sources. The only sources I've left out are the Google Scholar sources, which any one interested can add. Thanks.  Lourdes  14:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:HEYMANN by User:Lourdes satisfies User:No such user's objections.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Changing to keep, along with a big thanks for fixing this, Lourdes. No such user (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. Appreciated.  Lourdes  15:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Strong keep: This was a major character in a major sitcom of the period and the most famous role played by Eva Gabor. Repairs to the article cleaned it up and made it more encyclopedic.  Clear keep.   Montanabw (talk) 19:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:27, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Snow keep major character on an extremely significant television series in the United States. The sourcing provided makes it absolutely clear that this is notable. Deletion is the wrong choice here. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep "Well, you know the old saying: you can lead a horse over the water, but you can't make him think." "What's the matter with you chickens? All of your eggs coming out with names on." "(after the credits have disappeared from the hotcakes and toast) The names just stay on long enough for their mothers to see them." "Oh yes. that's a pernundel (P-R-N-D-L). My husband has a pernundel on his car, too." "It could be worse, she could be allergic to diamonds." "This has been a Filmways presentation, darling." StrayBolt (talk) 06:10, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Aoba47 (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.